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PostPosted: 19:23 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
To most cars are seen as a fridge/washing machine/toaster with the danger of familiarity coming in to play. Bikes are seen as slightly rebellious and lets face it most of us like to see ourselves as such, living up to the reputation as much as we can given our social surroundings.
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
My ex's parents didn't like me riding a bike and taking her on it but were horse riders themselves, and we all know the stats.

It's obvious why though. If you're a pillion and the rider makes a mistake, you're getting hurt. If you're in a car and the driver makes a mistake you're nowhere near as likely to get as badly bashed up.

I wouldn't get on the back of a bike with someone I didn't know and trust.
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Something you get used to hearing. There's a huge risk involved with horse riding for example, in fact everything we do there is risk. I find it hard to understand how others don't understand that life is one big risk. There's risk in everything.

Risk. Risky stuff, risk.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Re: Why are bikes the only vehicle? Reply with quote
Comparing to cars isn't great statistically.

Compared to push bikes I've got a feeling it's similar per mile - which suggests it's relatively more dangerous per time spent.

But yes, it's very rare to find the same attitudes towards horse riding, despite their being quite a lot of 'danger' there.
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Re: Why are bikes the only vehicle? Reply with quote
G wrote:
Compared to push bikes I've got a feeling it's similar per mile

I believe it is, urban, because the risks are much the same.

Lamposts at speed make bikes worse overall though.

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PostPosted: 21:27 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
covent.gardens wrote:


I wouldn't get on the back of a bike with someone I didn't know and trust.


You great big pansy, you Sir are a disgrace to all with testicles.
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Jet fighters are dangerous. Especially if they are American and you are fighting on the same side as them.
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I never ride pillion, even with someone I trust. I just can't handle other people's driving and not being in control

I don't even like being in a car of im not driving, stresses me out
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
clancy wrote:
I never ride pillion, even with someone I trust. I just can't handle other people's driving and not being in control

I don't even like being in a car of im not driving, stresses me out
Have to admit - much as i'm totally anti the whole 'bikes are dangerous - look at these figures' rubbish, i'm the same in terms of riding pillion, and to some extent being a passenger in a car. I like to be in control of the vehicle.

No vehicle is inherently dangerous, but given the right person steering it they're all lethal - I don't fancy taking chances on other people personally Razz
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If bikes were not dangerous I would never get on one.
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
-Matt- wrote:

No vehicle is inherently dangerous


Chuck Yeager might have disagreed with that.
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Wink

Okay I shall adjust - no commercially mass marketed vehicle, is inherently dangerous Razz?
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
-Matt- wrote:
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Okay I shall adjust - no commercially mass marketed vehicle, is inherently dangerous Razz?


You have clearly never ridden a motorcycle and sidecar.
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That is true Wink I would of hoped to cover myself with commercially mass marketed in that respect, but I may well of failed Razz

Out of interest - dangerous in general, or based on the lack of passenger/way the passenger acts whilst in the sidecar?
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
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That is true Wink I would of hoped to cover myself with commercially mass marketed in that respect, but I may well of failed Razz

Out of interest - dangerous in general, or based on the lack of passenger/way the passenger acts whilst in the sidecar?


My grandfather says they just don't turn much. He said you approach a bend try to go round it and the hedge on the other side of the road just approaches you...

I know they race them, but look at the design, barely recognisable to a regular road going motorbike and side car outfit.
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
-Matt- wrote:
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Okay I shall adjust - no commercially mass marketed vehicle, is inherently dangerous Razz?


You have clearly never ridden a motorcycle and sidecar.


Or a KH750, GSX1100EFE or the original XJ900, before they retro fitted the frame mounted fairing.

All of those had a reputation for developing a high speed and virtually unrecoverable weave, that was probably going to spit you off.

Aside from that, there's not much point in being anti 'bikes are dangerous' figures, because they just are, there's no getting away from it, even if it's just the danger of falling off them when stationary and breaking your leg.

Unless you spend all your time sitting on the bonnet, you aren't going to be falling off a car.
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 03 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Shaft wrote:
Aside from that, there's not much point in being anti 'bikes are dangerous' figures, because they just are, there's no getting away from it, even if it's just the danger of falling off them when stationary and breaking your leg.

Unless you spend all your time sitting on the bonnet, you aren't going to be falling off a car.
They definately have more potential to be dangerous - I wouldn't say it means they are dangerous though. There is admittedly a lot more to be aware and prepared for in terms of road/weather conditions/other road users etc, but if you're clued up enough about the risks - its not dangerous in itself.

My point about figures/statistics is they never account for the fact that if 9 out of 10 people ride like idiots and crash, it doesn't mean the 1/10 people being cautious and sensible have a 90 percent risk of an accident for example - as is often portrayed by a lot of sources.

Theres always a slim chance of the unexpected/unavoidable as there is on any vehicle, and I guess in that respect you are probably better off in a car, but presuming you ride attentively and keep aware of the risks, I don't consider it anymore dangerous than a lot of other day to day activities personally.Famous last words Wink
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 03 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
-Matt- wrote:

Out of interest - dangerous in general, or based on the lack of passenger/way the passenger acts whilst in the sidecar?


They are a sum of imblances.

As well as turning the handlebars, they also change direction when you change speed.

So to go straight on at a roundabout, you have to accelerate on, brake round then accelerate off.

You also steer in the direction of travelm, not countersteer. BUT the bike still tries to lean and is prevented from doing so by the sidecar. So round right handers, you steer right, the bike tries to lean left and pushes the sidecar down, you restore balance by braking/slowing slightly so the sidecar starts to overtake the bike.

It's round left handers it all gets a bit shitty though, you steer left, the bike tries to lean right and the sidecar tries to lift off the road. You counter this by accelerating the bike round the outside of the sidecar.

Come into a left hander too fast and you are in deep shit, you need to slow down but slowing will make you turn right and cause the chair to go light, if it lifts the whole lot will start behaving like a solo bike and turn right because of countersteering. You need to countersteer right to bring it back down but as soon as the chair touches back down, it'll go the direction you're steering. You're still turning right. In fact,you crashed into a fence about 10 seconds ago. Effectively, if you come into a left hander too fast, you need to accelerate. Shocked
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Interesting Thinking

Always just assumed '4 wheels' gave extra stability in terms of sidecars - will probably avoid any sidecars on the road after reading that Laughing
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Damn it Stinkwheel, I now REALLY want to have a go on one, also in one with a like minded person that isn't too fussed about dying if no-one but consenting parties are involved.
The real problem is, I know just the bloke, a fast twisty stretch of road, with a left hander leading onto a stretch next to the canal...
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PostPosted: 00:35 - 03 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
-Matt- wrote:
Interesting Thinking

Always just assumed '4 wheels' gave extra stability in terms of sidecars - will probably avoid any sidecars on the road after reading that Laughing


They would probably be more stable if they had 4 wheels. They do not.
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Excuse the typo Whistle
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