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My previous opinion of bubbs.
Bought a chappel with Land in wales, even discussing BCF BBQ... up here then ... ¯
"I personally consider myself a feminist"... oh dear..., now gone right down \_
I have no problem with equality and entirely agree with it.
I have little problem with either sex being supported in achieving similar goals.
I do not consider it 'equality' for one sex to be positively discriminated in favour of, such as the recent BBC comedy thing and so on.
Make sure it's merit, yes. But not forcing discrimination to make up.
On the rape stats thing - I saw some survey giving horrific numbers for 'rapes' in Eastern countries.
If you looked at what constituted a rape, it included the woman consenually having sex with their partner when they might not really wanted sex themselves - say it was their partners Birthday or similar, but they were feeling a bit tired.
THAT was counted as a rape.
By the same definitions, I expect a good number of men had suffered similarly at some point.
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So your still suggesting that the women who dress "provocatively" somehow invite being assaulted. It really dousent matter if all women all of the time dressed like they were trying out for a job posing in porn mags that dousent justify or lesson the serious nature of sexual assault. |
I tend to agree with this.
But then as with the football analogy, what would society say if someone wandered around a dodgy area of town with a flashy watch while waving a grand in twenties around in their hand was mugged?
The vast majority of people I'd say, would think "idiot".
Not "he has every right to do that".
We don't see signs saying "please leave your laptop in the back seat of your car because you SHOULD do things that will incite theft".
In some cases I suspect the issue is not so much dressing, but behaving - many women will happily 'play' with men, not understanding (or maybe are) that the bloke is thinking "sex" while she's just enjoy the attention. |
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slowlydoesit wrote: | waffles wrote: | Normally I try not to let comments like that get to me, but that really irritated. Why can't I be seen as an equal person? |
I try not to let adverts on TV in the UK and the US that portray men as being a bit thick compared to their cool, competent female partners get to me, but they really irritate. "So easy even a man can do it", anyone? Why can't I be seen as an equal person? |
Yes, I'm sure it was traumatising being subjected to that kind of abuse from your TV. Sadly I cant change the channel when that kind of thing is said directly to my face. If you are referring to the advert I think you are referring to (the oven cleaner one?) it was pulled after many complaints. Incidentally which company produced it? It would be interesting to see if it's a predominantly male or female group who came up with that shitty gem.
EDIT - apparently you should direct your anger towards Matt Stockdale, MD of HomePride who was pleased that the Advertising Standards Agency declared that that advert was "light-hearted humour" and in no way sexist. ____________________ Theory test - 19/8/09, CBT - 11/10/09, MOD 1 - 16/8/10, MOD 2 - 27/10/10
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slowlydoesit wrote: | Sadly, a common female response to this is the "aww, did your feelings got hurt, poor ickle man" approach, which attempts to derail the argument by belittling the man who makes it. That's exactly the kind of condescension that many men deployed against early feminists. Again, it's not progress. |
The good-old Code Blue.
https://i.imgur.com/999J9iS.jpg
Let's look at some types of abuse nasty men can commit....
https://i.imgur.com/44gFooS.png
Now the vast majority of these are obviously abusive behaviours: kicking, punching, rape etc etc
However some of these are a total contradiction of terms: Refuse to accept money from her? Abuse! Take money from her? Abuse!
More interestingly, both insisting on having sex with a woman and refusing to have sex with a woman are both abusive behaviours? Are we not told that a woman always has the right to say no (which I think is correct)? Yet if a man decides to refuse sexual relations it is abusive behaviour...
I suggest that a possible explanation for the seemingly more and more mundane causes of outrage amongst modern feminists is trying to hold onto power. No-ones likes to have their power reduced in scope, whether it is social, financial etc, we all like to climb up the ladder and very much avoid taking a lower rung if at all possible. Now what would happen if overnight, men and women were magically 100% equal, the raison d'etre for the feminist movement would cease to exist - and (if equality is their true aim) they have won the fight, mission accomplished, demobilise the troops and head on home ladies, its time to party!
The high level folks of the feminist movement stand to lose out here, with the equality achieved and the troops sent home. The organisers and speech-givers, and regional representatives no longer have a role to play. To speak nothing of the financial side of things (which I'm sure have their own part - I'm sure feminist fundraisers and lobbyists are a thing) the people involved stand to lose out on a lot of social status and influence should the war ever come to a close. As such no matter how "equal" things become, I predict there will be ever increasingly silly demands from the feminist movement, seeking to find something, no matter how trivial, to rally the troops around and keep the war-drums beating. Quite similar to how the top folks of the military game don't stand to benefit from peace, you can't sell much gucchi kit to 1st world nations if everything is all hunky-dory now can you?
Personally I think a girl I met this summer sums it up well: "Both feminists and men's rights folks are equally stupid. Men have some issues and interests, women have some issues and interests. We'll never get anywhere with a confrontational system of Men Vs Women. People should talk together and solve shit as people rather than defining themselves as side and seeing the other as the enemy." |
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Is it still on? Only desperate lads that can't get laid start that sympathy crap about feminism in false belief they could get some. OR, UK lads just lost their manhood. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Just stumbled across a blog that covers the 'Male Privilage Checklist'..
To be honest I actually disagree with quite a few of them. What do you think?
The Male Privilege Checklist
1. My odds of being hired for a job, when competing against female applicants, are probably skewed in my favor. The more prestigious the job, the larger the odds are skewed.
2. I can be confident that my co-workers won’t think I got my job because of my sex – even though that might be true. (More).
3. If I am never promoted, it’s not because of my sex.
4. If I fail in my job or career, I can feel sure this won’t be seen as a black mark against my entire sex’s capabilities.
5. I am far less likely to face sexual harassment at work than my female co-workers are. (More).
6. If I do the same task as a woman, and if the measurement is at all subjective, chances are people will think I did a better job.
7. If I’m a teen or adult, and if I can stay out of prison, my odds of being raped are relatively low. (More).
8. On average, I am taught to fear walking alone after dark in average public spaces much less than my female counterparts are.
9. If I choose not to have children, my masculinity will not be called into question.
10. If I have children but do not provide primary care for them, my masculinity will not be called into question.
11. If I have children and provide primary care for them, I’ll be praised for extraordinary parenting if I’m even marginally competent. (More).
12. If I have children and a career, no one will think I’m selfish for not staying at home.
13. If I seek political office, my relationship with my children, or who I hire to take care of them, will probably not be scrutinized by the press.
14. My elected representatives are mostly people of my own sex. The more prestigious and powerful the elected position, the more this is true.
15. When I ask to see “the person in charge,” odds are I will face a person of my own sex. The higher-up in the organization the person is, the surer I can be.
16. As a child, chances are I was encouraged to be more active and outgoing than my sisters. (More).
17. As a child, I could choose from an almost infinite variety of children’s media featuring positive, active, non-stereotyped heroes of my own sex. I never had to look for it; male protagonists were (and are) the default.
18. As a child, chances are I got more teacher attention than girls who raised their hands just as often. (More).
19. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether or not it has sexist overtones.
20. I can turn on the television or glance at the front page of the newspaper and see people of my own sex widely represented.
21. If I’m careless with my financial affairs it won’t be attributed to my sex.
22. If I’m careless with my driving it won’t be attributed to my sex.
23. I can speak in public to a large group without putting my sex on trial.
24. Even if I sleep with a lot of women, there is no chance that I will be seriously labeled a “slut,” nor is there any male counterpart to “slut-bashing.” (More).
25. I do not have to worry about the message my wardrobe sends about my sexual availability. (More).
26. My clothing is typically less expensive and better-constructed than women’s clothing for the same social status. While I have fewer options, my clothes will probably fit better than a woman’s without tailoring. (More).
27. The grooming regimen expected of me is relatively cheap and consumes little time. (More).
28. If I buy a new car, chances are I’ll be offered a better price than a woman buying the same car. (More).
29. If I’m not conventionally attractive, the disadvantages are relatively small and easy to ignore.
30. I can be loud with no fear of being called a shrew. I can be aggressive with no fear of being called a bitch.
31. I can ask for legal protection from violence that happens mostly to men without being seen as a selfish special interest, since that kind of violence is called “crime” and is a general social concern. (Violence that happens mostly to women is usually called “domestic violence” or “acquaintance rape,” and is seen as a special interest issue.)
32. I can be confident that the ordinary language of day-to-day existence will always include my sex. “All men are created equal,” mailman, chairman, freshman, he.
33. My ability to make important decisions and my capability in general will never be questioned depending on what time of the month it is.
34. I will never be expected to change my name upon marriage or questioned if I don’t change my name.
35. The decision to hire me will not be based on assumptions about whether or not I might choose to have a family sometime soon.
36. Every major religion in the world is led primarily by people of my own sex. Even God, in most major religions, is pictured as male.
37. Most major religions argue that I should be the head of my household, while my wife and children should be subservient to me.
38. If I have a wife or live-in girlfriend, chances are we’ll divide up household chores so that she does most of the labor, and in particular the most repetitive and unrewarding tasks. (More).
39. If I have children with my girlfriend or wife, I can expect her to do most of the basic childcare such as changing diapers and feeding.
40. If I have children with my wife or girlfriend, and it turns out that one of us needs to make career sacrifices to raise the kids, chances are we’ll both assume the career sacrificed should be hers.
41. Assuming I am heterosexual, magazines, billboards, television, movies, pornography, and virtually all of media is filled with images of scantily-clad women intended to appeal to me sexually. Such images of men exist, but are rarer.
42. In general, I am under much less pressure to be thin than my female counterparts are. (More). If I am fat, I probably suffer fewer social and economic consequences for being fat than fat women do. (More).
43. If I am heterosexual, it’s incredibly unlikely that I’ll ever be beaten up by a spouse or lover. (More).
44. Complete strangers generally do not walk up to me on the street and tell me to “smile.” (More: 1 2).
45. Sexual harassment on the street virtually never happens to me. I do not need to plot my movements through public space in order to avoid being sexually harassed, or to mitigate sexual harassment. (More.)
45. On average, I am not interrupted by women as often as women are interrupted by men.
46. I have the privilege of being unaware of my male privilege. ____________________ Life begins at the end of your comfort zone. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 10 years, 100 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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