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_Troy_
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Opinions on this CB500 Reply with quote

Morning guys and gals.

I've been looking for a budget commuter recently, and have spotted the following at the local dealer. Just after some opinions on price and the bike itself.

It's on a 51 plate with 28,000 miles.
Has a scotoiler, stainless steel brake lines, fly screen, engine bars.
Recent tyres and chain and sprockets.
Corrosion to down pipes, not considerable, but something to note.
Exhaust is rusted, and has been painted to cover this up. Looks ok, but something that may need replacing.
New MOT and 6 months tax.

It's up for £950. Is it a good buy, too expensive, down pipes a big cost to consider etc.

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PostPosted: 12:05 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

TBH most bikes you look at over 10 years old will be in need of new downpipes, if they haven't already been done. It's not too bad a job todo yourself (assuming header bolts aren't corroded and seized to hell), with new set of stainless pipes coming in for about £150.

Mileage ain't too bad for age. With new tyres and chain recently fitted, fresh MOT, that's not too bad a price, based on what you've told us so far.

Look up MOT history for prior fails and advisories.
How are the forks, any nasty pitting?
Brakes in good order?
Any side-to-side play in wheels?
Running smooth, start first time?
Any other bashs, knocks etc that might give clues to prior crashes etc.
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The exhausts on those are rusty within a couple of months of rolling out of the shop. I'd be more suspicious if it wasn't rusty and painted.

Check the radiator for corrosion too.

Check the front brake for pulsing under braking, they've replaced the brake lines, have they been having a problem? (Mrs stinkwheels one had terrible problems with a pulsing front brake)

It's about due blowing its fork seals if they are the originals.
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the responses guys. Fork seals just replaced, knew I missed something.

Forks are slightly pitted, radiator looks fine. Engine started first time and sounds sweet as they come. I'm hopefully going for a test ride this afternoon, so can check brakes and other moving parts.

Doesn't look like it's been dropped or thrown down the road, but there are some minor scrapes here and there.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is your commute exactly?

I had an ER5. I'd rather mince my testicles and rub them in salt than ride another 500 twin on a motorway.
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

28k mile CB500 for £950? Sounds like cracking value if the bike is in good condition TBH!
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commute is around 30miles each way, mix of town and a roads, with a short dual carriageway stint.

I won't be using the bike every day. Some days I will need a car, and some days I won't want to sit in the rain for an hour. But probably 80% of the time I'll be biking it.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CB500s have great engines but the downpipes are always a problem, hence the reason mine have been replaced with stainless steel. The engines really are great though and 29k is nothing really as they are good for 150k miles at least. Also check the tank where it meets the seat for rust too as they are renowned for rusting there.

They aren't the greatest on motorways but by no means inadequate at all and from what you say your commute is it'll be fine. If you can get a cheap fairing set for it, it'll be even better on motorways.

Price is about right but I'd try and haggle for cash, maybe £850 - 900.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Motorhate wrote:
CB500s have great engines but the downpipes are always a problem, hence the reason mine have been replaced with stainless steel. The engines really are great though and 29k is nothing really as they are good for 150k miles at least. Also check the tank where it meets the seat for rust too as they are renowned for rusting there.

They aren't the greatest on motorways but by no means inadequate at all and from what you say your commute is it'll be fine. If you can get a cheap fairing set for it, it'll be even better on motorways.

Price is about right but I'd try and haggle for cash, maybe £850 - 900.


There is a small amount of rust due to the seat rubbing, but have heard this is a common trait.

I'm hoping the screen will help for the longer blasts, but most of the journey is 50/60 limits, so shouldn't be too bad (I have a fairly thick neck anyway Mr. Green ).

I'm planning on offering less, but have a feeling he will say a blunt no.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Town and A roads would be fine, open A roads and motorways just... shoot yourself. Laughing

Good condition, long tax and test, low-ish miles. Wouldn't sniff at it if I needed a bike.

I did however buy a slightly older and tattier ER5 and sold it for the about the same price, £250 Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Troy_ wrote:
There is a small amount of rust due to the seat rubbing, but have heard this is a common trait.

I'm hoping the screen will help for the longer blasts, but most of the journey is 50/60 limits, so shouldn't be too bad (I have a fairly thick neck anyway Mr. Green ).

I'm planning on offering less, but have a feeling he will say a blunt no.


The price isn't that bad all things considered and even if you get it down to £900 it'll be about right for a bike of this age and mileage. I'm not 100% sure if the Scottoilers come as standard on CBs but mine has one too underneath the seat. I think yours will come with the Brembo brakes which are OK I think Honda had these models made in Italy.

Does it have a standard shock absorber ? If so, I'd recommend replacing as they were pretty crap on the early models, not so sure about the later models. I've got a Hagen on mine which feels much better. Also going to replace the very SHIT standard exhaust too.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Town and A roads would be fine, open A roads and motorways just... shoot yourself. Laughing

Good condition, long tax and test, low-ish miles. Wouldn't sniff at it if I needed a bike.

I did however buy a slightly older and tattier ER5 and sold it for the about the same price, £250 Thumbs Up


I've done motorways on naked a many times. Like I said, thick neck does wonders.

The shocks are standard from what I can see, and they look OK, but not amazing.

It has brembos yes, but I've heard they aren't anything special.

The scotoiler system is located behind the number plate on this one. It's a useful upgrade I'd likely have done anyway.

Paddy - I saw your bike advertised. But given the mileage I'll be putting on the bike, I want something below 50k before I start Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh, bought Vara at 50k ish, got rid at 77,000 Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MOT from a dealer or a dealer's mate is just an entry in a database. Go by the bike's actual condition.

_Troy_ wrote:
Fork seals just replaced

With receipts? Bounce on the forks, check for any signs of misting.

Sight unseen, that sounds reasonable. You won't get a mint bike at that age and mileage, so just be sure what'll need doing to it. If it's genuinely just the exhaust, fair enough.

With the sun out, Gumtree is rammed full of sellers asking silly money for their "pride and joys", so it's almost suspiciously cheap from a dealer. I'd expect someone's parted with that for £500. I'd wonder why, although not enough to put me off if it seems honest.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know what you're saying Roger. I'll give it a good test when I can, and will be sure to check everything. The seals did look knew, but again, will make sure I test them.

I do know the dealer though, as have bought a bike from them before and had number of repairs and MOTs done by them, so I do have some trust in them.
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you were really determined to chip away at that price you could ask him to remove one of the swing arm pivot caps (it's a plastic "chromed" cover about 45mm diameter two inches up from gear selector on LHS rear brake on RHS). The cap comes off quite easily (though may lose some of its teeth in the process!) if prised carefully with a small screw driver. The recess within will almost certainly be quite rusted, even if the bolt itself appears less so. You then say you're concerned this corrosion is a sign of a deeper malaise - i.e. rusted swing arm bearings. Might be worth a try.
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like it's been said above, the downpipes corrode first on every CB500. I've now a few pinholes appearing on my can (downpipes seem fine) and I'm gonna order one of these https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SIMMI-STAINLESS-STEEL-EXHAUST-CAN-Honda-CB500-1994-2003-/261298058957?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item3cd693f6cd

I'll be pulling the radiator off and painting it shortly as well.

If the forks are still a bit spongy I've heard of people using 15W oil instead of 10W. Probably get around to doing this at some point myself.


Bought mine (a 52 plate with 11k on the clock) for about £1k a couple of years back. Doubled the mileage in 6 months. Only downside there was the flat spot that developed on the rear with all the motorway travel. Got about 12k out of a BT45.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
What is your commute exactly?

I had an ER5. I'd rather mince my testicles and rub them in salt than ride another 500 twin on a motorway.


Why? I used have a GPZ500 and it was a great bike. Handled motorway riding effortlessly. It wasn't so great on the autobahn though but perfectlly fine for the rest of Europe.
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe depends on how tall you are.

I'm 5'11" and with my buggered knees the CB feels a bit cramped sometimes.
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CB500's are the diesel car equivalent of the bike world and should be avoided at all costs if you have any interest in enjoying your commute.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Davie J wrote:
Like it's been said above, the downpipes corrode first on every CB500. I've now a few pinholes appearing on my can (downpipes seem fine) and I'm gonna order one of these https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SIMMI-STAINLESS-STEEL-EXHAUST-CAN-Honda-CB500-1994-2003-/261298058957?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item3cd693f6cd


I'd skip that and get one of these from SP Engineering:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB500-1994-2003-SP-Engineering-Carbon-Moto-GP-Stubby-Race-Exhaust-/290883350162?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item43b9ffae92

They also do stainless steel ones for roughly the same price as the one you're looking at. They're a UK firm and guarantee no re-jetting or carb balancing with their exhausts.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

garth wrote:
CB500's are the diesel car equivalent of the bike world and should be avoided at all costs if you have any interest in enjoying your commute.


"Enjoying your commute"? Does anybody actually enjoy their commute to work ? I certainly don't
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Motorhate wrote:
garth wrote:
CB500's are the diesel car equivalent of the bike world and should be avoided at all costs if you have any interest in enjoying your commute.


"Enjoying your commute"? Does anybody actually enjoy their commute to work ? I certainly don't


That's because you ride a CB500.
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha Garth. I'd love to enjoy my commute, but I need something capable of 60mpg, low insurance, little maintenance and reliable as hell. I'd also love to stay away from twins, but exciting IL4s don't meet all of the above criteria.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considered getting a 400?
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