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trevor saxe-coburg-gotha
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: riddle me this - mt03 = £6k, mt07 = £5.2 Reply with quote

Yeah okay, you can get an MT03 for less than six, but even at its cheapest it will be a chunk dearer than the 07. By all accounts the 07 is shaping up to be the better bike. Yet pricing is the opposite. Why?
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MT-03

https://www.motorbikespecs.net/images/Yamaha/MT03_06/MT03_06_1.jpg

MT-07

https://motorcycleindustry.co.uk/press/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/2014-Yamaha-MT-07-EU-Deep-Armor-Studio-001.jpg

MT-07 all the way if I was buying
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks-wise they both make me throw up, but that's by the by really. What's confounding me a bit here is the pricing.

Actually, if I was going purely on looks alone I might go with the 03 - but would want to have a gander at 'em side by side in the metal before coming down on one side or t'other.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Re: riddle me this - mt03 = £6k, mt07 = £5.2 Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
Yeah okay, you can get an MT03 for less than six, but even at its cheapest it will be a chunk dearer than the 07. By all accounts the 07 is shaping up to be the better bike. Yet pricing is the opposite. Why?

The MT-03 was designed ten years ago at a time when auto/bike companies in Japan were doing extremely well. The period from 2000 to 2007 could rightly be called a golden age for this group of suppliers. Revenues and profits were booming and costs were not considered that important. I remember Honda management saying to me in mid-2008 "look, in developed countries big bikes are just toys". I think that attitude - bikes are luxury items - partially explains why there was such a dearth of cheap but fun machines until recently.

The MT-07 would have been designed in 2009-2010 and reflects two important business environment issues.
(a) A stronger yen making products in Japan more expensive for overseas buyers.
(b) Buyers who are less willing to spend money due to the ongoing aftermath of the financial crisis.

If these two factors are an over-riding consideration then you can, if you're good and careful, design a bike to cost much less than a bike designed in richer times. As a designer building a cheap bike, you scrutinise every part that your suppliers bring you, asking for less of everything and a lower price, instead of more of everything at the same price. Yamaha was clearly both good and careful. Honda did something similar with the 500 series, but in addition to low-cost and reasonable quality Yamaha seems to have paid more attention to the fun factor. That's the DNA of the RD legacy coming through.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:

Actually, if I was going purely on looks alone I might go with the 03.


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PostPosted: 23:34 - 13 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

be interesting to know where they are built, if different countries as the mt07 looks like a bargain compared to an er6, bonneville etc
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PostPosted: 07:09 - 14 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Friend just picked up a 60 reg MT 03 with 3000 miles on the clock for 3k.

Don't think that's too has for a modern first bike or commuter, he's bought it to save taking his diavel into London everyday
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PostPosted: 07:25 - 14 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Troy_ wrote:
trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:

Actually, if I was going purely on looks alone I might go with the 03.


https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7341/13135503753_084800fa3d.jpg


How is one of these bikes clearly better looking than the other? To my eye they both look hideous - the task is to try to discern the one that is marginally less offensive to the eye. What am I missing. Where is the lol wut moment damn dude the bike on the right is so obviously the sexier one. It's black and its random admix of confused linearity and bodged symmetry is very obviously superior to the black bike on the left with its marginally more confused linearity and bodged symmetry.

Tldr - the 03 has a more rugged presence - higher clearance, bash plate, under seat pipes.
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 14 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 03 has a very strange stance, especially with the angle of the forks. It also looks out of proportion in a number of ways. That side mounted shock and the exhausts too Sick

The 07 looks much more modern and stylish, and I'd more than happily ride one with pride. That's my opinion of course.
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 14 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Troy_ wrote:
That side mounted shock and the exhausts too

The side-mounted shock is pretty cool IMO.
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 14 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MT07 is a lot of new bike for the money. Supposed to be good fun too. Almost tempted by a test ride but I generally dislike twins. Confused
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 14 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's severely odd pricing... the 07 is miles better looking and better spec..

not ridden either though so maybe it's in the ride quality? or just stupid pricing
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 14 Mar 2014    Post subject: Re: riddle me this - mt03 = £6k, mt07 = £5.2 Reply with quote

You'd kinda hope they're finally phasing the 03 out and reckon they might as well get as much dosh in as they can for the few they have left.
That the 03 weighs about the same as the 07, despite the latter managing 70% does say something about the older design Smile. Always disappointing that when they had a chance to make a lighter SZR660, they went the other way.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 14 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I observed this very point last week at my local Yamaha dealer, and I was only there to pick up parts not look at bikes lol!

I can't see any reason why the MT03 is priced much higher than the MT07, but I will say that the build quality does look a bit better on the 3 than on the 7. It's also out of the two the one I'd like to own, based on looks and slimness.

If you spend time looking at the new MT07 and the MT09, you can clearly see that the materials used for fasteners, the type of plating/coating and the finish of a lot of components is slightly poor/rough arsed, and is IMO the minimum that Yamaha could get away with cost wise on a new motorcycle. There's not quality plating or stainless steel evident on either bikes small parts, and I suspect that in a few years, they will look quite tatty around the edges at best!

TLDR: MT03 looks ok, I'd ride it, but it's too much!
MT07/09 nice enough bikes, better built than a GS500, but probably no better finish wise than a Bandit at best!
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, I'm biased - I just bought an MT-07.

But I've always wondered how manufacturers can charge more for a single than for a 4 cylinder machine, which surely must cost more to produce?
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