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bikergurl
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Bike categories Reply with quote

Have been reading the RiDE Rider Power survey & wondered what all the different categories mean i.e Adventurer, Street, etc? Very Happy
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:49 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A segway example but no 'adventure' bike what sort of crazy information thing is this? Very Happy
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Re: Bike categories Reply with quote

bikergurl wrote:
Have been reading the RiDE Rider Power survey & wondered what all the different categories mean i.e Adventurer, Street, etc? Very Happy


You have the internet, right?
You have google images, right?
Type, click, look. Simple. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't really mean much. There are no hard and fast rules or boundaries. The 11kW YZF R125 gets lumped in as a "supersports" bike. "Sports tourer" can just mean a supersports that wasn't as quick as the competition so had bungee attachments put on it and the marketing campaign altered.

Particular reason that you're asking, or just general interest?
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bikergurl
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Rogerborg. Reason I was asking is that my husband has a CBF1000 & it was said to be a sports tourer but in the survey it was s Street bike so it piqued my interest. As I have had to give up my hobby of horses I am now riding pillion & always had an interest in bikes. Very Happy
Kind of you to give me an answer.
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a good example of a do-anything bike that's hard to categorise. I guess it depends on how you view it.

It's for tearing up the streets:
https://img203.imageshack.us/img203/796/cbf1000wheelieweb.jpg

No, wait, it's for touring:
https://www.hgbyamaha.co.uk/hgbdaytonashoponline/contents/media/CBF1000%20red.jpg
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

How true! Shocked
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not a sports tourer if it doesn't have the following available from the factory:

Factory luggage
Centre stand

It's just a plain of regular street bike.

VFR800 is a sports tourer. i.e a sports styled/performance bike set up to tour.

Aprillia Falco, a regular street bike.

Now can anyone clarify for me the difference between dirt bike and enduro? Is it just a bigger dirt bike? A dirt bike styled street bike?
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="c-m"]It's not a sports tourer if it doesn't have the following available from the factory:

Factory luggage
Centre stand

It's just a plain of regular street bike.

VFR800 is a sports tourer. i.e a sports styled/performance bike set up to tour.

quote]


Well, I'm not so sure on that one. Where does your definition come from? Mine's an FZS1000 that you might say is a street bike. But it actually does the touring bit so well, I think it blurs the lines, yet it was never offered with factory luggage.

These categories are not from anywhere official I think, just what the biking press, the manufacturers and people who ride have gradually formulated and come to accept as categories that we mostly understand when mentioned.
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dirt bike can mean a wide range of things - from a motocross, trials or pit bike to something like a KTM 950 adventure at a push (I don't think anyone's silly enough to pretend the boxer BMWs bar the HP2 are actually made for 'dirt' Razz.)

Seperate dirt bike categories:
Trials (made for going up stuff).
Motocross (going around short circuits with lots of jumps).
Enduro (going around long circuits with varied terrain.)
Trail or 'dual sport' bike (made for a mix of on road and off road.)
Pit bike (kids-size trail bike.)

Wikipedia is particular bad for stupid categorisations - the SV650S is listed as a 'sports bike' rather than a 'faired commuter' for instance, probably because some SV owner found an advert calling it that or something and wanted to justify their ownership of one of the most boring bikes ever made*.

*Rip blau.
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-m wrote:


Now can anyone clarify for me the difference between dirt bike and enduro? Is it just a bigger dirt bike? A dirt bike styled street bike?


By dirt bike, do you mean motocrosser
The main noticeable difference is that enduro bikes under FIM rules should be capable of being road legal - tyres, lights horn etc. In practice they generally have plusher suspension and more tractable engines than crossers. Having ridden in Scottish Enduros for 10 years I've seen many riders turn up on 250cc 2 stroke crossers or 450 4 stroke crossers. They generally don't come back a 2nd time unless they're on bikes that they can ride all day. Powerful crossers are great on a MX track but can be scary in tight woodland 5 hours into an event. Enduro bikes still make big power but they can be ridden out of the peak power and still make rapid progress Wink
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Iain/Paddy are finding, some enduro bikes, like many versions of the 200EXC can be pretty peaky - however all the 250cc+ ones I've ridden have been very 'flat' - with the 2 strokes even flatter than most 4 strokes.
My 144XC (converted to that spec from a 125SX) has that very flat delivery too, but I don't know if that's the base nature, or due to the work done by who ever converted it.

And yes, the 200 could get quite scary well in to an event - more than once I'd wheelied into the undergrowth as it hit the power band, threw me back and I was too knackered to control it properly. Great fun when you get it right, however Smile.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-m wrote:
It's not a sports tourer if it doesn't have the following available from the factory:
Factory luggage
Centre stand

Says?
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c-m
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 15 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
c-m wrote:
It's not a sports tourer if it doesn't have the following available from the factory:
Factory luggage
Centre stand

Says?


Say me.

That's my classification and the only one that matters to me.

The key is to look a manufacturer's intentions for the bike. If it has a centre stand and factory luggage option the odds are that manufacturer considered that the bike would be used by some people to tour and need to carry luggage.

This will be show up in other design elements too, like the inclusion of luggage hooks, and helmet locks.

Of course and you can tour on anything and it might even be better then a bike cassed as a tourer or sports-tourer, but that doesn't mean it is.

I've toured on a GPZ, ZXR750, ZX9R, Falco, F650 - none of them are sports tourers, but they tour well enough.

Most classifications are absolutely meaningless and some such are 'sport bike' are just down on stupid when used on bikes that have absolutely nothing to do with any sport at at all.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
As Iain/Paddy are finding, some enduro bikes, like many versions of the 200EXC can be pretty peaky - however all the 250cc+ ones I've ridden have been very 'flat' - with the 2 strokes even flatter than most 4 strokes.
My 144XC (converted to that spec from a 125SX) has that very flat delivery too, but I don't know if that's the base nature, or due to the work done by who ever converted it.

And yes, the 200 could get quite scary well in to an event - more than once I'd wheelied into the undergrowth as it hit the power band, threw me back and I was too knackered to control it properly. Great fun when you get it right, however Smile.


My son races a 200exc and while he loves it I find the midrange just too brutal. Much prefer my 250.
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