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PostPosted: 16:30 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Dark visiors for Passengers Reply with quote

Simple question really.

Is it illegal for a pillion passenger to use a dark visor?

If it is illegal, would you ever get pulled for it, or would it take the biggest monumental bell end of a copper to stop you for it?
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 16:49 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My understanding is that there is no difference in the requirements for rider and pillion.

You could take a blind pillion and they'd still need a clear visor.

I would be astonished if they could get themselves prosecuted or convicted for it though.
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saw this the other night on a bike thing on YouTube the other Night Neither rider or pillion are allowed a dark visor.seems stupid for a pillion but that's the law Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 16 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stand by my you are safe statement.

No cop in the land would do you.

Well.... Maybe the white tops would.

I would imagine it would get thrown out of court though .
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PostPosted: 00:48 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting in principle as to whether it matters for a pillion.

Realistically i'd be astounded if you'd get aggro for it - i've used a dark visor almost all the time [except terrible weather/night riding] for about 7 years without a mention.

I think the majority of coppers have enough sense to understand the reason a lot of people wear them to reduce sun glare.
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PostPosted: 01:13 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time to tempt fate Twisted Evil

I've been wearing this (or something very similar to it) on the sharp end of a bike since 1981

https://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff426/zedheadchap/DSCF0949.jpg

Not once have I ever been pulled because of it, or questioned about it, when I've had a tug for something else, despite the fact that it's (supposedly) illegal in every way.

As a result, I wouldn't spend a nanosecond worrying about a pillion wearing a tinted visor.
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PostPosted: 02:07 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure police are now advised to use their common sense over the law when it comes to tinted visors.

So if a rider is wearing one on a sunny afternoon to reduce glare then to let it go. But wearing one at night or in poor weather much more likely to get called up on it.
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just curious, has anyone ever been done for rocking tinted visors? I'm not talking about the odd tut tut or warning from the Five0, but fined or worse?

every single person I've spoken to about this is of the opinion that the police are really not that bothered to pull you up and go through the paperwork for just a tinted visor.
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the Bike Safe course I did (Thames Valley Police) they said they would not bother with dark visors and small plates (unless stupidly small) unless you got pulled for something else, in which case these may well get added to the list, depending on your attitude and the seriousness of whatever else you did.
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

rocking?
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
At the Bike Safe course I did (Thames Valley Police) they said they would not bother with dark visors and small plates (unless stupidly small) unless you got pulled for something else, in which case these may well get added to the list, depending on your attitude and the seriousness of whatever else you did.


As I thought.. I guess if you're seen to be riding like an idiot and just happen to have dark visors then you're more likely to get tugged.
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:
rocking?


Correct.
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

By rocking you mean wearing?
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:
By rocking you mean wearing?


yes Cool
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's going back to 2006, but still relevant:

https://www.righttoride.co.uk/virtuallibrary/strategies/acpomotorcycleenforcementstrategy2006.pdf

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Tinted visors, if used during daylight hours, advice only, if used during the hours of darkness or conditions of reduced visibility
consider prosecution using ‘Tintman’ equipment where available.

It is acknowledged that there is much debate about this issue and many variables and anomalies can be applied. Therefore a pragmatic approach is necessary and only in cases where there is an obvious danger should prosecution be considered.

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PostPosted: 11:55 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
At the Bike Safe course I did (Thames Valley Police) they said they would not bother with dark visors and small plates (unless stupidly small) unless you got pulled for something else, in which case these may well get added to the list, depending on your attitude and the seriousness of whatever else you did.


And how strict were they on the actual course about it?

Bit of a difference between them seeing a random bike on the road or a bike turning up at their place. (I'm guessing BikeSafe at Thames Valley is run at a police facility?)

I'm just wondering, as I was considering booking on a BikeSafe up in S Yorkshire, if I'll have to make any changes to my bike before hand, i.e. rear plate, sidelight bulb etc (and declaring with insurance one or two mods that aren't really mods but technically are mods).

(I know coppers in the same police force will be lenient or not on different things, let alone different police forces, just after a rough idea really)
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saw a chap getting pulled over the other day, for what appeared to be his tinted visor. Was on Tower Bridge, where the City Police quite commonly have a whole squad pulling over anybody and everybody for all kinds of misdemeanour's. If they're there, they'll invariable be 2-4 vehicles pulled over for a chat.

Back to topic, it was around 5:30 ish, clear day, but sun starting to go down. Chap was right in front of me, going nice and slow, nowt obviously wrong with his riding, copper hadn't even seen his plate, but he got pulled aside, and copper was pointing at his visor... No idea of outcome, as I left them to it.
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its completely illegal to have a blind pillion.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta hit them non-existent quotas, even if it's for Words of Advice.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
Its completely illegal to have a blind pillion.


No, but all visors need a CE stamp, and part of the CE standard is a minimum level of transparency.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
Its completely illegal to have a blind pillion.

As opposed to just regularly illegal?

If they are sitting astride the motor cycle and on a proper seat securely fixed to the motor cycle behind the driver’s seat, and wearing proscribed protective headgear (including an appropriate clear visor, if fitted) that is securely fastened to their head, then what offence is completely being committed, and by whom?

I'm not aware of any construction and use regulation that says "No blindies", for example.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben-B wrote:
weasley wrote:
At the Bike Safe course I did (Thames Valley Police) they said they would not bother with dark visors and small plates (unless stupidly small) unless you got pulled for something else, in which case these may well get added to the list, depending on your attitude and the seriousness of whatever else you did.


And how strict were they on the actual course about it?



Dunno - everyone was playing nicely and wearing legal visors. Plus, it lashed it down and was like riding into the apocalypse - I doubt I could have seen my own speedo if I'd had my dark visor on.

Ben-B wrote:
Bit of a difference between them seeing a random bike on the road or a bike turning up at their place. (I'm guessing BikeSafe at Thames Valley is run at a police facility?)


This one was organised by a group of us where I work, so we did it from our work premises. There were 6 police bike officers there though; two did the morning's theory stuff and the rest joined for the afternoon's road riding (2-to-1 riders to observers).

Ben-B wrote:
I'm just wondering, as I was considering booking on a BikeSafe up in S Yorkshire, if I'll have to make any changes to my bike before hand, i.e. rear plate, sidelight bulb etc (and declaring with insurance one or two mods that aren't really mods but technically are mods).


All bikes on our group went out OK - there were a few modified. They only noted that I had insurance and it matched my name and the reg number of the bike. Mine has a BS-stamped after-market can, crash-bungs, dark screen and LED rear light which never raised a murmur. My assessor just asked me "are you happy that your bike is safe and road-worthy?" to which I answered "yes" and off we went. Pretty sure he'd clocked my nice deep tyre tread already.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 17 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:


Dunno - everyone was playing nicely and wearing legal visors. Plus, it lashed it down and was like riding into the apocalypse - I doubt I could have seen my own speedo if I'd had my dark visor on.

This one was organised by a group of us where I work, so we did it from our work premises. There were 6 police bike officers there though; two did the morning's theory stuff and the rest joined for the afternoon's road riding (2-to-1 riders to observers).

All bikes on our group went out OK - there were a few modified. They only noted that I had insurance and it matched my name and the reg number of the bike. Mine has a BS-stamped after-market can, crash-bungs, dark screen and LED rear light which never raised a murmur. My assessor just asked me "are you happy that your bike is safe and road-worthy?" to which I answered "yes" and off we went. Pretty sure he'd clocked my nice deep tyre tread already.


Cheers for that. Think I'll wait until next year to do it. There's only one date left that I can do for this year, plus I checked with insurance and it's only gonna be a shade over £30 to add unlimited number of mods now (although they only pay out for standard bike), but to do it mid policy is an extra £40 admin fee. Next year with extra years NCB and experience etc it'll probably be more like £20-25 to add it at renewal time.


Probably better waiting anyway, gives me a chance to pick a date that suits, and to get more used to the bike in the mean time, I've only done about 2000 miles since I got it, and had to learn the roads in two different areas of the country before I could start riding in a way that I was gaining proper confidence in the bike.
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