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PostPosted: 13:21 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: What powers do VOSA have? Reply with quote

Just wondering what can VOSA do at the road side. I heard they can do a full MOT test, is it also possible for them to do a dyno check at the road side?

Also are they only about when police call them out to check a vehicle? I've only ever seen one parked up as if they're waiting for a dodgy looking vehicle to come past so they can pull it over and inspect it.
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rule of thumb:
When posing the question "What power/s does [insert relevant government department/agency/QUANGO] have?" - the simple answer will always be: "Too many".
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: VOSA Reply with quote

VOSA have a LOT more powers than police when it comes to vehicles on the road. They have the ability to place immediate prohibition orders, which means you cannot move that vehicle until they are satisfied that the repairs are MOT compliant. They are ruthless and not to be messed with. They can/do go out on their own without the police.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:35 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are they able to conduct MOT tests at the road side or dyno checks? Presumably by using a lorry with testing equipment?
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikesaa309 wrote:
Are they able to conduct MOT tests at the road side or dyno checks? Presumably by using a lorry with testing equipment?


Why are you so paranoid?

They're often not around, I used to see one VOSA checkpoint at my old job though, every Sunday morning when the farmers market was on
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do they have powers of arrest? Is it an offence to ignore them and drive away? My vehicles are all legal, but they sound like a bunch of cunts.
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
mikesaa309 wrote:
Are they able to conduct MOT tests at the road side or dyno checks? Presumably by using a lorry with testing equipment?


Why are you so paranoid?

They're often not around, I used to see one VOSA checkpoint at my old job though, every Sunday morning when the farmers market was on


I'm not paranoid. Just seems a bummer having to restrict the Bandit once I pass my test, especially as they don't have much power to begin with...

Was planning to get it restricted to get the certificate then get used to the 46 bhp or until I got bored of it then derestrict it. Just wondering if VOSA can do road side dyno checks else I might have to rethink the plan.

Saw this police program crap on TV, cop pulled over a lorry driver for reading a map whilst driving and calls VOSA to come check the truck. If I get caught doing over what a restricted bike can do or for some other reason, if they were to call VOSA to come do a dyno check, I'm fucked.
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikesaa309 wrote:
Are they able to conduct MOT tests at the road side or dyno checks? Presumably by using a lorry with testing equipment?

They often park in a lay-by at the side of the A47 waving people in. Pulled me over on my bike and wanted to see either my licence showing I could ride a full power machine or else they would confiscate my bike subject to producing an unrestricted licence or the bike coming in under 33bhp on a dyno. They seemed to be targeting bikes that day and given how many other bikes I've seen pulled over by them over the few years I've seen them there, it's something of a favourite pastime of theirs. Had them pull me over in my bus before (in service with passengers) and check the bus over and demand to see my CPC, licence etc. They absolutely love the "rules".

Personally I quite like them there though. Each time I've encountered them, whilst they were ruthless, everything was in order and they let me on my way and were polite enough about it. Seen them haul away dozens of vehicles that shouldn't have been on the road either due to the driver not being legal or the vehicle being sub-par, which can only be a good thing.
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Their powers are extensive and far-reaching.

They have the power to stop vehicles, carry out detailed roadside inspections or seize suspect vehicles for even more detailed inspections.

They can inspect HGV tachos, enforce rest periods, impound vehicles, test fuel.

I don't think they have the power of arrest BUT they usually operate alongside one or more police officers who do.

I doubt they would dyno a bike, I've never heard of them doing so but I suspect they might well take it apart to check if a restrictor was actually fitted.

I do know they sometimes check on MOT testers. My local guy had them sat around the corner in a van watching him book an MOT through the computer system on a laptop. They stopped the bike he'd just tested as it went round the corner, took it back to his garage and went over it again to see if he'd missed anything.
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

VOSA (alone) can only stop passenger vehicles (9 or more seats) and 3.5 ton+ HGVs.

Ketchup and HP sauces.

Poseidon wrote:
They absolutely love the "rules".

Do they love RTA 1988 S67 (3) [as applied to cars and motorcycles] and (6)?
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikesaa309 wrote:


Just seems a bummer having to restrict the Bandit once I pass my test...



Ah, this old chestnut Rolling Eyes

Either comply with the law or don't - it's your choice and yours alone. If you decide that you're above the laws of the land then you have to take responsibility for your actions and be happy with them. Otherwise join the hordes and suck up to it.
Advertising the fact that you're contemplating breaking the law on an open forum is probably not the most intelligent of moves though!
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
VOSA (alone) can only stop vehicles with passenger vehicles (9 or more seats) and 3.5 ton+ HGVs.

Ketchup and HP sauces.

Poseidon wrote:
They absolutely love the "rules".

Do they love RTA 1988 S67 (3) [as applied to cars and motorcycles] and (6)?


Interesting, as I always saw them sat here every Sunday

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.270837,-2.282654,3a,75y,202.93h,80.29t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sQRIOIeqy0v0SyeNc86oeOw!2e0

It was always during the times of the farmers market etc, so I always assumed they was stopping farm vehicles to make sure they were legal, but are many farm vehicles over 3.5T?
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
VOSA (alone) can only stop vehicles with passenger vehicles (9 or more seats) and 3.5 ton+ HGVs.

Ketchup and HP sauces.

Poseidon wrote:
They absolutely love the "rules".

Do they love RTA 1988 S67 (3) [as applied to cars and motorcycles] and (6)?

I'm guessing that's why they have police presence. I thought the bobbies were acting as bouncers incase shit got real. Hard to tell who's who now that they are all day-glo dereks.
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, they can try and stop anyone they like. The question is whether it's an offence to give them a cheery wave and carry on.
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
mikesaa309 wrote:
Are they able to conduct MOT tests at the road side or dyno checks? Presumably by using a lorry with testing equipment?


Why are you so paranoid?

They're often not around, I used to see one VOSA checkpoint at my old job though, every Sunday morning when the farmers market was on


i used to work on a farm where the lorry and landrover were to only vehicles that had brakes, he had 2 quads, 3 tractors, a tipper truck thing, a bobcat digger, and 5 tone digger.

farmer are the worst for keeping thing just about going and highly liable to have vehicles that arent really road worthy
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
VOSA (alone) can only stop passenger vehicles (9 or more seats) and 3.5 ton+ HGVs.

Ketchup and HP sauces.

Poseidon wrote:
They absolutely love the "rules".

Do they love RTA 1988 S67 (3) [as applied to cars and motorcycles] and (6)?


If you read the explanatory notes on the Road Vehicles (powers to stop) Regulations, it states:
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These Regulations provide stopping officers with powers to stop for the following purposes:
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Vehicle roadworthiness inspections by authorised examiners under section 67 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (regulation 2(3));

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PostPosted: 16:18 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:


If you read the explanatory notes on the Road Vehicles (powers to stop) Regulations, it states:
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These Regulations provide stopping officers with powers to stop for the following purposes:
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Vehicle roadworthiness inspections by authorised examiners under section 67 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (regulation 2(3));


....annnnnd they also state that stopping officers may direct a driver to stop a vehicle if "the vehicle appears to the officer to be one to which subsection (3B) could apply."

Which, when you follow it through, is vehicles with more than 8 seats, or that weigh > 3500KG.

If you're not one of those, looks to me like the 1988 regulations are the ones that still apply - i.e. you have to stop only for a constable. Looks like the 'borg is correct to me.
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only one way to find out. Mike, go and find a stop-and-test, and wheelie past them screaming "FULL POWER BANDIT BEEYATCHES".
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are that worried and see one of them waving you in, just keep riding past. If they note down your reg just claim you have no idea who was riding it. Probably get points and a fine but it's much better than being found without restriction.

Must be a southern thing, I've never seen VOSA by the roadside and the occasions I have been pulled my licence has been looked at but restriction never mentioned. Even when doing silly speeds in wales and being given the benefit of the doubt by the coppers (which apparently are ruthless in wales from what I've heard?)
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They seem to like stopping vehicles in rural Shropshire and dipping their tanks for red diesel. Then they have a sense of humour failure big style.
Fair play to them, they seem to stop plenty of unroadworthy heaps as well.
Edited to say Powys as well. Normally on market day.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
VOSA (alone) can only stop vehicles with passenger vehicles (9 or more seats) and 3.5 ton+ HGVs.

Ketchup and HP sauces.

Poseidon wrote:
They absolutely love the "rules".

Do they love RTA 1988 S67 (3) [as applied to cars and motorcycles] and (6)?


Interesting, as I always saw them sat here every Sunday

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.270837,-2.282654,3a,75y,202.93h,80.29t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sQRIOIeqy0v0SyeNc86oeOw!2e0

It was always during the times of the farmers market etc, so I always assumed they was stopping farm vehicles to make sure they were legal, but are many farm vehicles over 3.5T?


They'll be dipping the tanks to check if they're running on red diesel (not for road use) or not
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PostPosted: 01:47 - 19 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They'll be dipping the tanks to check if they're running on red diesel (not for road use) or not


Oh yes they were out doing that last time it snowed properly round here the cnuts. Cue all the farmers quickly hearing about it and not going out to clear or grit the local roads. As VOSA expected them to drain all the red diesel out of the tractors / shovel loaders, hop on a magic carpet to the nearest petrol station and fly back with enough 'legal' fuel to spend the day clearing the snow. Thumbs Down
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