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mrb-solutions
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Bike Security: Disc Locks Reply with quote

I have a chain for the bike. I am after a Disc Lock does anyone have recommendations and what do people generally think of them over chains?

Would you use one rather than a chain?


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SQL
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use both if you want to keep the bike
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

agree with sql, use both. disk lock alarm if possible. nothing will stop a thief but the more obstacles in the way the better.

Ofxord screamer was OK, louder mouse farts than the alarm but you could put it on without activating the alarm. my current ones an el cheapo jmc bright yellow disk lock alarm off ebay for £10. no option of turning alarm off, so on odd windy days you end up leaving it off or tugging batteries out.

I slagged the oxford screamer off when I had it for being sensitive and annoying. in hindsight, it was actually a decent alarm for £25.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said use as much security as is practical and you can afford.

Disc lock is easy for sticking under the seat or in a pocket when you take the bike out, chain you generally need a bag for. But the more you've got, particularly visible security, the more it'll put off the opportunist.

Chains are good for looping through other solid structures, stops the bike from being lifted away.

Longer chains are better, but more expensive and heavier, but it means you can loop round frame & wheels then round something else like a ground anchor, railing, lamp post etc.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sable wrote:
agree with sql, use both. disk lock alarm if possible. nothing will stop a thief but the more obstacles in the way the better.

Ofxord screamer was OK, louder mouse farts than the alarm but you could put it on without activating the alarm. my current ones an el cheapo jmc bright yellow disk lock alarm off ebay for £10. no option of turning alarm off, so on odd windy days you end up leaving it off or tugging batteries out.

I slagged the oxford screamer off when I had it for being sensitive and annoying. in hindsight, it was actually a decent alarm for £25.


The oxford screamer I've found to be sometimes overly sensitive, and other times not at all, I sometimes will literally brush the handlebar and it'll set off the warning beeps. Other times I can give it a good whack and nothing.

Once the warning beeps go off then if it detects movement in the next 15 seconds iirc it'll sound the alarm. But once the alarm has gone off for a while, it silences, but it also seems to switch off the alarm rather than reactivate it. Not ideal.
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah i'm looking for something for when i don't have a bag to carry my chain and something i can just have in a pocket or under seat etc Smile

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PostPosted: 13:43 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd recommend a compact disk lock such as an abus one and a good alarm for the motorcycle - 2 separate systems which will help.

Personally I think disk locks are good as it stops anyone wheeling a bike away and chains can be cut easy unless you have a good one.

The more the better for security!
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on what I have I'd recommend the Abus Granit Disc lock.
Like this...
https://www.saundersonsecurity.co.uk/acatalog/37-60HB70_b.jpgimage from here - other sellers and prices available.

Advantage is you can use it to also lock chains as well as put on disc. So handy to carry and also use at home (or other location where chain kept).
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My latest insurance company demanded a Thatcham approved device for my bike, so I bought an Oxford Omega.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OXFORD-OMEGA-CHROME-DISC-LOCK-MOTORCYCLE-SCOOTER-THATCHAM-APPROVED-FREE-COMFY-/271259695140?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3f28567824

It's easy to put on and take off, and compact enough to carry in a pocket.
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd use both - preferably an alarmed disc lock considering how cheap you can get them.

Generally, presuming the chains relatively decent i'd go with a chain being more important as attached to something its got a better chance of stopping it being dragged into a van - a disc locked bike can still be dragged by a couple of people.

Bare in mind the majority of chains can be easily cut with bolt croppers though, and all chains cut with power tools if they have a minute or two.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Oxford Boss it pretty good. It can also be used as a padlock for a chain
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got an oxford boss but find it quite fiddley to unlock without waking the neighbours, I use a xena one like This now.
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use an Oxford Nemesis:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Oxford-OF47-Nemesis-Ultra-Strong-Motorcycle-Scooter-Security-Disc-Lock-New-/141122497155?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item20db8e6a83

When I bought it the friendly guy in the now long gone Hein Gericke shop turned all serious and insisted I had to buy one of these. Probably did me a big favour.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Oxford-Minder-Reminder-Cable-Yellow/dp/B004Q0ZH30

I'm sure I've read a thread somewhere about someone having several Oxford disc locks that jammed on him repeatedly and ranted that everyone should throw theirs out. Two years of all weather use and mine is working fine.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another Oxford boss alarm disc lock. Can't use it on my discs though, so use it as an alarmed chain padlock. Works well, and is quite sensitive to movement and not so much to weather. Tried it on the weekend in the valleys, instead of my locked garage as normal - and had to disarm the motorbike alarm due to weather sensitively, but the padlock remained silent. Til you touch it.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 18 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lock with a disc lock and chain to a ground anchor in my garage, but if I pop into town I use a disc lock and a bicycle lock to lock it to something - just to stop the opportunist taking it, and I aint carrying a chain in a bag.

The bicycle lock just goes round my seat when I'm riding - I only use the bike for this as it's free parking.
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PostPosted: 01:00 - 19 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

GET A DISC LOCK REMINDER

Every time - EVERY TIME- I use my disc lock I forget. It's a thick wire one and it gets stuck in the brake caliper so removing it is a real nightmare.

Get a bloody reminder, I'm fed up of removing it. My front brakes are getting worse and worse, they feel like a sponge when I pull the lever these days Confused
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ALARM-DISC-LOCK-BIKE-MOTORBIKE-MOTORCYCLE-SCOOTER-DISK-PADLOCK-SIREN-ALARMED-/251439380967?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3a8af479e7 loud as u like Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 2 disk locks- A regular Oxford one that I purchased myself, and a Xena XZZ6L alarmed lock that I got 'free' with my Ride magazine subscription last year. As I didn't really pay anything for it, its great Smile If I were in the market for another one, I'd probably be looking at an alarmed one (you can always deactivate the alarm bit)

They are small enough that I can fit both of them, plus my chain under my seat, Alarmed one on the front Disk, normal on the rear, then the chain.
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a xena xx14 disc lock alarm. It only fits on the back but that's fine. The thing is stupidly loud and resets itself if it goes off. Doesnt seem too sensitive but I've yet to use it in the wind!
Great bit of kit though!
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a xena xx14 disc lock alarm. It only fits on the back but that's fine. The thing is stupidly loud and resets itself if it goes off. Doesnt seem too sensitive but I've yet to use it in the wind!
Great bit of kit though!
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jay89 wrote:
I've got a xena xx14 disc lock alarm.


I got one of these myself. I've been pleased with it so far. Seems like a big solid chunk of metal and it's as loud as it gets. I haven't had anyone have a go at it yet so I can't comment on how well it will hold up against being cut off but that would likely be done in a quiet garage somewhere after they've taken the bike away in a van.

A mate of mine bought the same one for his K4 Bandit but it doesn't have the reach to lock onto his disc at the front and there's no space for it at the back.

He took it back and bought the XX15 which has a bit more reach. It locks onto the front disc well enough but the alarm won't work because, no matter where it's mounted, the sensor isn't blocked by the metal of the disc, so it won't arm.

So basically, they're pretty good but not perfect. I'd try before you buy.
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought one of these for when I'm over in Liverpool (don't really need security over here) and I can't really fault it tbh. Although, no-one appears to have ever put mine to the test.

https://www.kabrus.co.uk/xl802.html

They're around £70 on their own site but, I got mine from amazon for either £20 or £25. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 21 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a cheapo Oxford one (the bright yellow one that's £15 from J&S) and it seems fine. It's reasonably solid and well made for £15.

That being said I have a Pragmasis 13mm Protector as well. Admittedly not the best chain they do but then it's only locking up a 7 year old shitty 125 that looks a bit of a state anyway.

If got a more expensive bike (read: More attractive for the local tramps to rob) I'd get a 19mm Protector for home, use the 13mm one for out and about and get an alarmed disc lock.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 21 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 for the abus

use this breakdown theory of pricing

£20 disc lock, £3.40 is VAT, £6.60 is shop profit, £5 importer profit, lock costs £5 from chinese manufacturer, and they make money out of it, therefore

£20 disclock cost £2.50 to make
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