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dont most cars now-a-days have duel mass thingies?
i know i shelled out for one on my 57 plate Signum (it had 3 all within 35,000 ) i think it cost just shy of a grand |
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Focus st with a remap 270bhp, man that 5 pot engine sounds awesome. I would have another tomorrow. ____________________ Current bike: Honda CBR 1100xx |
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| Paddy. wrote: | £8k for 300hp isn't bad these days really
I'd be wanting either RWD or AWD with 300hp at that price.. so yeah, the only downfall I found was it was a Golf, I expected more? |
Looking at older stuff with RWD or AWD though, as they were more expensive to start with.
Nissan S14/15 is in that price range though, and I can think of a different type of R32 (Skyline).
| clancy wrote: | Yeah same, I wouldn't bother with that much power on front wheel drive personally
For a fun quick hatchback that's not an Rs clio. I'd probably get an s3 or quattro a3 and remap it |
Only FWD car I've driven that's able to handle more than about 240bhp, and handle it well is the Focus RS (Mk2), with its RevoKnuckle(?) & LSD.
Driven an Astra VXR and that could barely handle the stock power, yet the Focus RS I had a go in with 400bhp and no handling mods from stock handled much better.
Would still like to see another 4wd RS but doesn't look to be of interest to the Ford people.
If they released a Focus 4wd 5dr RS hatchback tomorrow, I'd sell a kidney to get one. Cos I'd love to get a Sierra Cosworth, practicality, still looks awesome and goes like stink, but they're a bit old now, and I want the modern-ness of technology. |
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Right, lots to think about, thanks fellas.
Basically, the Clio goes back to the 'ring in May and I have another trip in June. I'm starting to push the limits of the Clio now so was looking for a bit more go, but more importantly, better road-holding. The Clio is fine until you get to extremise and then tends to let go all at once (a bit butt clenching). I'm toying with putting the money into suspension and a remap, but, essentially, I'm hurling a ten year old French built car at the most dangerous ribbon of road in Europe.
I did fancy a bit of Teutonic solidity, but I will try to hunt down a Megane (even with the hideous rear end).
Budget about £6 - 8K depending on what the Clio can get, so not a great wad I admit. These type of things always seem to cost at least a thou to get right and I'm not risking any more gong into the Armco.
I agree on the Civic Type R, but they too are getting a bit long in the tooth ( I'd be just as happy with a Type S to be honest).
Not so sure about rear wheel drive these days, they seem to be the ones letting go unexpectedly (re Top gears test).
decisions, decisions.
Thanks again for the info and advice, I knew you would come up with the goods.
Cheers. ____________________ The CBR900RR has been sold. Aprilia Falco worms its way into my heart.
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| jjdugen wrote: | Right, lots to think about, thanks fellas.
Basically, the Clio goes back to the 'ring in May and I have another trip in June. I'm starting to push the limits of the Clio now so was looking for a bit more go, but more importantly, better road-holding. The Clio is fine until you get to extremise and then tends to let go all at once (a bit butt clenching). I'm toying with putting the money into suspension and a remap, but, essentially, I'm hurling a ten year old French built car at the most dangerous ribbon of road in Europe.
I did fancy a bit of Teutonic solidity, but I will try to hunt down a Megane (even with the hideous rear end).
Budget about £6 - 8K depending on what the Clio can get, so not a great wad I admit. These type of things always seem to cost at least a thou to get right and I'm not risking any more gong into the Armco.
I agree on the Civic Type R, but they too are getting a bit long in the tooth ( I'd be just as happy with a Type S to be honest).
Not so sure about rear wheel drive these days, they seem to be the ones letting go unexpectedly (re Top gears test).
decisions, decisions.
Thanks again for the info and advice, I knew you would come up with the goods.
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Just posted quite a length reply and my internet fubar'd before it posted properly. Trying to remember what I put.
TL/DR is spend half the money on improving the car you end up with.
£3-4k of improvements on a £3-4k car will bring about a much better track car than a £6-8k car on its own.
Any reasonable DIY mechanic could do/fit the following:
- 4-1 exhaust manifold, decat/sports cat, stainless free flowing system to get the burnt fuel out
- now to get the air in better, free flowing panel filter or cone filter, bigger throttle body, new performance inlet manifold (get it ported & polished for even better results)
- suspension kit (lowering springs & stiffer shocks, coilovers are generally unnecessary and overpriced) and ANTI ROLL BARS (in caps because they were both the cheapest and the most effective handling mod on all 4 of my cars)
- big brake kit, 4 pot at least, ideally 6 pot, with fast road/track pads (Ferrodo DS2500 or similar), braided hoses and Motul RBF racing brake fluid (or similar)
- big brakes will be a lot heavier, so lighter wheels to reduce the unsprung weight will improve the handling.
Other stuff you can do is suspension (wishbone/beam etc) bushes, Powerflex ones will stiffen everything up, particularly if the car is on rubber bushes it came out the factory with, they wear and get very sloppy. Taking it to a garage might be a better idea as they'll have all the equipment and presses to do that. I know very competent DIY mechanics who've struggled with removing old bushes or pressing the new ones in.
If it's a turbo car, then bigger turbo & intercooler, bigger injectors & remap are all things you can consider. Hell you could even fit a turbo to an n/a car with that "tuning budget".
But tyres would be the ideal place to start. Road-legal track tyres would be ideal if you're in the dry all the time, but they don't last too long and are expensive. High performance road tyres would be better, especially if you're going to be driving it on a wet or damp track. Two sets of wheels with track tyres and road tyres for best of both??
And weight saving, so removing everything unnecessary, rear seats, spare wheel, carpet, sound deadening, air conditioning, stereo & speakers. The biggest limit with weight reduction is how far you want to go, what you don't want to do without etc.
You will be amazed at the bargains you can find on ebay if you're prepared to put the hours in.
I know a guy who has bought a standard Focus ST170, built it into a track car, turbo'd the n/a engine, carbon fibre panels, full works... and as of february this year it owed him £1500, including buying it. The car itself must have had over £10k poured into it, but by buying cheap, replacing it and selling high, turning over a profit basically.
As he was progressing he was picking up bargains like full stainless system for £50, then selling it for a lot more when he replaced it with a exhaust system for the turbo etc. |
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8k ahh me thinks something like
This
if you can afford to run it.....will do about 12 - 20 to the gallon
but sound awesome
just check for rot underneath (they are prone to it) |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 12 years, 204 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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