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kramdra
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PostPosted: 01:03 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Fitting tires Reply with quote

I want to fit some tires myself to save £30 each time, as Ive got to buy 3 soon. Ive done tube tires before and removed a couple of tubeless.

Are modern tubeless tires difficult to do with the correct tools? (levers and rim protectors)

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PostPosted: 01:07 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll need to build a contraption to break the bead otherwise you'll be doing a lot of sweating and grunting without getting anywhere! (There are examples on the net and I seem to recall seeing a thread on here about a wooden one but you'll have to look for it!).

I've got a tyre machine though. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 01:26 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

bead breakers readily available on fleabay
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PostPosted: 01:44 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:
I've got a tyre machine though. Mr. Green


Devon... fucking bloody devon. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 02:09 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

£30 to fit a tyre, where the hell are you going lol?

Local bmw dealership will change a tyre for £10 on a loose wheel
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PostPosted: 02:32 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

£30 sounds high. If the wheels are already off the bike I'd expect £10-20 a pair.

Often if you bring in some beers or biscuits they'll do it for free.


Plenty of bead breaking machines on ebay. Should be able to get one of them (and a wheel balancer if you don't already have one) for less than £100 including shipping
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PostPosted: 03:21 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bead braking and balancing are the easy bits in my limited experience. Im more concerned about stretching the new bead over the rim without a machine - I read some are a very tight fit but part-worns might be easier?
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PostPosted: 03:56 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 08:33 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
Bead braking and balancing are the easy bits in my limited experience. Im more concerned about stretching the new bead over the rim without a machine - I read some are a very tight fit but part-worns might be easier?
If you do it right and kneel on the bit of tyre opposite where you are levering, pushing the bit under your knee into the well of the rim it makes it very easy to do.

I use more 10x more effort getting the old tyre off than levering the new tyre on.
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

£10 on loose wheels is what I charge unless it got tyre sealer in the old tyre or the new is deformed from bad storage

Tyre sealer is £20 extra is it horrible to clean off me to tool and workshop

You need a good compressor and tyre soap to seat some tyres
Hot water can help with ones that will not go on the bead

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PostPosted: 09:02 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

G clamps to break the bead on the old tyres, ratchet straps to stretch the new tyres over the rim. It's really not difficult.
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My tyre changing kit cost me about £20 for some levers, rim protectors, rim weights and some skateboard bearings.

Made a bead breaker using a few length of timber (it's poverty style, but works), wheel balancing is done using some axle stands with a few bearings attached to some angle iron, use the axle as the balancer shaft.

Tyre on and off isn't that difficult, I found Pirelli (angel st) was harder to change than Michelin (PR2/PR3/some uber sporty thing) as there seems to be a lot more give in the bead/sidewall on Michelins.

yen_powell wrote:
I use more 10x more effort getting the old tyre off than levering the new tyre on.



+1 That second bead... that second fecking bead.
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's worth having a go but as they are saying the hardest bit is breaking the bead initially, otherwise it's much the same as tubed tyres - but you sometimes have a big problem getting the rim to seal again when you start to inflate it.
Some tyre soap is good, WD40 or similar will do.
You need something that can blast air in quick ideally.
Another trick is to put a ratchet strao around the circumference to force it in close contact.

I often try to break the bead by putting the tyre in a vice - it's got harder over the years as tyres have lower and lower profiles!
I've even popped them off by driving a landrover (very gently) onto the tyre almost touching the rim.
Some sort of long bit of wood or metal levering device is going to be your best option - where you can apply a lot of force to a small area of the tyre wall.
As soon as one bit pops off you are there.

If there was a bike tyre place nearby I'd let them do it I think.
The nearest is about a ten mile drive from me.
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
Im more concerned about stretching the new bead over the rim without a machine - I read some are a very tight fit but part-worns might be easier?


If you can stretch a bead by hand I will give you £500. If you can stretch one with a tyre machine and still get it to safely sit on a rim I will also give you £500

Steel beads, not known for stretching and not known for springing back into shape, what do you think the wheel well is for?
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
G clamps to break the bead on the old tyres, ratchet straps to stretch the new tyres over the rim. It's really not difficult.


Agree with the g clamps (although using a length of 4x2 as a lever to push another lump onto the bead is quicker), but I use the ratchet strap to compress the tyre once it's on the wheel and help it seat as it inflates.
The only tyres I've ever really struggled with getting off have been ones filled with slime. It got everywhere and made it difficult to really get a grip on the tyre. Horrible stuff.

OP, go on youtube and watch as many vids as you can find. You'll get all kinds of techniques to try out. Set yourself aside a whole morning, and take your time.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

As well as bead breakers and balancers it is important to have a decent pair of tyre levers to hand.Since buying a pair of Michelin style items it has made changing tyres on my enduro and sport bikes so much easier Thumbs Up

https://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/WiNot_Rhencullen/Workshop/0014614_michelin-type-tyre-levers-15-inch_300_zps0485af63.jpeg
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speedfreak13 wrote:
just leaving them in the sun


In the what?

This is Britain.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fizzer Thou wrote:
As well as bead breakers and balancers it is important to have a decent pair of tyre levers to hand.Since buying a pair of Michelin style items it has made changing tyres on my enduro and sport bikes so much easier Thumbs Up

https://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/WiNot_Rhencullen/Workshop/0014614_michelin-type-tyre-levers-15-inch_300_zps0485af63.jpeg
I have the same levers, I love them!
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

After changing my own tyres last time, I am going to happily pay £15 per wheel for fitting from now on.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

clancy wrote:
£30 to fit a tyre, where the hell are you going lol?

Local bmw dealership will change a tyre for £10 on a loose wheel


Mine will only fit BMW recommended tyres and charge £75+vat per hour.

Local independent place charges about £20 per wheel ride in ride out.

On breaking the bead at home, use the sidestand. The bead is no match for 200kg of bike.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure about doing it yourself but 30 quid is high unless you're talking about ride-in-ride-out.

I've paid 10-15 quid per loose wheel fitted and balanced in Bristol for the last few years.
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curious if anyone has tried Motion Pro BeadPro?

https://www.adventure-spec.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/400x400/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/0/8/08-0519.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjBHLPONZGs

Looks decent.
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-m wrote:
On breaking the bead at home, use the sidestand. The bead is no match for 200kg of bike.


Shocked With the wheels off? Shocked wtf?
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 20 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

did see one youtube video once about breaking the bead.
the one quote that stuck in my head?
"You take your shovel..."
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this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPaCV_uCi78
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