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Robin_Hood
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: The story so far...... Reply with quote

Well passed my test about 4-5 months ago and bought a gsxr 600 because I thought it looked cool. I have done about 2500 miles and have loads more confidence, this is now becoming a problem as it has also become apparent that I don't in fact have the control over my right hand I assumed I would have.
I have come to the conclusion that I might be to irresponsible to own a gsxr, after my last few ride outs seeing me riding in excess of 100 as my average speed, my top being 156.
I don't really need lectures about killing myself or others because I know already. The thing is the type of bike I have only really gives me any pleasure when accelerating, 156 was exciting but after a couple of mins was boring and made 70 feel like 20. So why have a sports bike if you are not going to ride it fast ? Maybe to pose on ? That not really my thing!
The latest idea that I have had is to sell the bike and buy one that I can use on roads and green lanes, this has got to be more thrilling than doing 70/60 on Tarmac. There will be some cash left so I could get a comfy slow bike with a back rest and stuff. I must point out I know absolutely nothing about bikes, so any recommendations will be gratefully received be it bikes or ways to stop being irresponsible.
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Re: The story so far...... Reply with quote

Robin_Hood wrote:
Well passed my test about 4-5 months ago and bought a gsxr 600 because I thought it looked cool. I have done about 2500 miles and have loads more confidence, this is now becoming a problem as it has also become apparent that I don't in fact have the control over my right hand I assumed I would have.
I have come to the conclusion that I might be to irresponsible to own a gsxr, after my last few ride outs seeing me riding in excess of 100 as my average speed, my top being 156.
I don't really need lectures about killing myself or others because I know already. The thing is the type of bike I have only really gives me any pleasure when accelerating, 156 was exciting but after a couple of mins was boring and made 70 feel like 20. So why have a sports bike if you are not going to ride it fast ? Maybe to pose on ? That not really my thing!
The latest idea that I have had is to sell the bike and buy one that I can use on roads and green lanes, this has got to be more thrilling than doing 70/60 on Tarmac. There will be some cash left so I could get a comfy slow bike with a back rest and stuff. I must point out I know absolutely nothing about bikes, so any recommendations will be gratefully received be it bikes or ways to stop being irresponsible.



Im going the opposite way,
I got back into Biking on my green laner but find it so poor on road I have invested in a summer road bike,
It depends how far your wanting to travel on Tarmac as green laners just dont feel nice on knobbly tyres, and in the wet . . . . . .
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon about an hour each way on the road, I do have a van I could take it in but would prefer to ride it on the road to get there, so it would need lights etc for night riding.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not get a track bike that you can go as fast as you like on, and then something a little bit sensible for the roads?

A naked bike is a lot more exciting on the roads because you generally feel like you're going a lot faster than a faired bike.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Troy_ wrote:
Why not get a track bike that you can go as fast as you like on, and then something a little bit sensible for the roads?

A naked bike is a lot more exciting on the roads because you generally feel like you're going a lot faster than a faired bike.


Sounds like a good idea but not sure if I will get motivated enough to take it to a track.
I am not really a biker I am a guy that can ride a bike 2500 miles without crashing or dropping it, know a couple of guys with bikes but tend to ride on my own going nowhere in particular.
When people start talking bikes I glaze over because I have no idea what they are on about. So thinking of going all wild hogs and getting a bike to go somewhere particular with a tent n stuff and having an adventure.
So I need maybe a comfy bike to be a wild hog on and scrambler to do x country and a few roads.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

F650GS Dakar / G650GS Sertao or a similar big thumper?

Bags of torque, but your speed will be limited by the pummelling it delivers to your prostate.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
F650GS Dakar / G650GS Sertao or a similar big thumper?

Bags of torque, but your speed will be limited by the pummelling it delivers to your prostate.


Looks the part, I am a bit of a short arse though 5' 8" inside leg 31cm. The bikes I have seen look to big for me to touch the floor, this might have an impact on what I can get.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crazy little 2 stroke enduro bike.

Set of supermoto wheels.

Enjoy.
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm finding the SV has a certain lazy / calming quality. I can ride it within speed limits..ish because it sounds laid back.

So maybe a naked v-twin, like a Monster?


EDIT: Clearly not for green laning, which is what the OP asked for. But I was just thinking about how to slow him down on the roads.

Or go small capacity. The KTM RC390 (which I was going to test this year, but now won't in case I like it). Enough power and lightness to be fun. Again, not green laning.
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robin_Hood wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
F650GS Dakar / G650GS Sertao or a similar big thumper?

Looks the part, I am a bit of a short arse though 5' 8" inside leg 31[inches].

Pffft, that's not short.

Try the regular F/G650GSes if you're in doubt. They're low bikes, you'll actually have your legs slightly bent with your feet flat on the ground on an F650GS.

https://cycle-ergo.com/ FTW.
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks cool app
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 27 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muscle bike.
Sports sixes do one thing; easy fast. What you are experiencing is the lack of engagement and limited sensation they deliver.
If you shift genre's, and common one when licence is in peril is a motard; you get loonie buzz from them, briefly, but its a perversion. Dirt bikes, are horendousely compromised in design for off-road, then compromised even more to make them a road bike again. The high CofG perverse geometry and long soft suspension, then, utterly the oposite of a sports bike, means that you can discover the joy of exploring the machines limits... but... those limits you know are short change, a 'propper' sports bike wouldn't have them, and many want to go back to propper sports bike after.
Searching for the 'fun', lot of more experienced bikers, self included, end up returning to tidlers; little bikes you have to work hard to get anything out of, and which you dont have to take too seriousely.
Something like an Aprillia RS125 or Mito, then, are bikes that can thoroughly 'engage' the rider, and for some-one with the experience to apreciate it, be incredibly engaging, demanding you work for your thrills.
Still a little single minded though; and again, yearning for something that delivers 'more' in the shape of big legue sports will start to tugg... troubke is tiddler will have tought you how to push something right to the ragged edge, and doing that on a 6 is not condusive to a long and healthy life.
Tourers? Something different still. Can have the beef to not feel totally pedestrian, or need to be worked so hard to make them go anywhere, shift the focus of attension from actual riding to simply being some-where, on a bike. Comfort, convenience and relaxed riding is thier forte, BUT, little incipid, and lacking in rider involvement.
Hence Muscle Bike. They dont have any area of excellence; but; at a push you can hustle one down the twisties to get the blood going, and will demand rider envolvement for it. You can load one up with luggage and take it touring, and they dont need to be hard work. But again, not making it 'as' easy as packing a suitcase in your bedroom and simply clipping it to the lugs on the bike; are a bit more engaging whilst they are about it.
Soft, general purpose, a little of everything bikes, I recomend this type of machine as first big bikes for this reason. Its a good progression from learner bikes, that lets you find what you DO like in biking and do a fair bit of it, and let it still be 'fun', without instantly disguarding all but easy fast or kwik thrills, or loonie stunting.
You get one; you mess with it, adapt it to suit what you do with it, and when you have experienced a fair amount of what biking might have to offer... THEN you might want to pick a more specialist niche machine.
That's where I suggest you go look for your next bike.
Big soft all-rounder. Muscle Bikes, or 'Nakeds'.
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PostPosted: 04:55 - 28 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah really been fancying an XJR lately for some reason.
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PostPosted: 06:51 - 28 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
Yeah really been fancying an XJR lately for some reason.

Price. Same reason you liked all the other bikes you've bought!
They have started dropping into the 'affordable' £1000-£2000 price range lately. Snowie keeps finding them, and they are OH SO tempting! I just know how there's no such thing as a 'cheap' litre, and what you dont spend on buying the thing, it will lever out your wallet in running it! Though I do still keep trying to find excuses to the contrary! And have been eyeing old FJ's, in semi-seriousness.
(Got Snowie to sit one when she was still on L's... told her it was a 600! ... so she keeps showing me old XJ6's and Divvies on e-bay Rolling Eyes But 12, such a long low old beast, wouldn't take more than a few clicks of pre-load to drop it so she could flat-foot; may be heavy, but they are so nicely balanced; and her restrictions up this summer!)
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PostPosted: 08:07 - 28 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
I just know how there's no such thing as a 'cheap' litre, and what you dont spend on buying the thing, it will lever out your wallet in running it!


Not really, you gonna back this up with experience at all or just blind assumption?

My R1 went through tyres the same as the 600..maybe less, tyres still looked brand new after 3000 miles.

My R1 got well over 50mpg on a motorway run from Kent to Plymouth.
My CBR would barely get 40 riding like a granny.

So, do share your experience master.
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PostPosted: 08:10 - 28 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Teflon-Mike wrote:
I just know how there's no such thing as a 'cheap' litre, and what you dont spend on buying the thing, it will lever out your wallet in running it!


Not really, you gonna back this up with experience at all or just blind assumption?

My R1 went through tyres the same as the 600..maybe less, tyres still looked brand new after 3000 miles.

My R1 got well over 50mpg on a motorway run from Kent to Plymouth.
My CBR would barely get 40 riding like a granny.

So, do share your experience master.


This pretty much. My 954 is broadly similar. Yes, the Firestorm used to like a drink, but the RSV1000 I had wasn't too pricy either.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 28 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice mike/roger it has given me something to think about.
I am swaying towards a cheap motor cross ??? If that's what you call them and a wild hog bike to go traveling with a tent etc. The reasoning behind this is I hate cleaning bikes so no point getting a decent bike as I am under no illusion the bike is going to get dropped loads every time out, it can also be kept outside without the worry of stuff going rusty.

The wild hog bike I am looking at is the type that you wear a matt black open front helmet, have a handle bar moustache, have loads of tattoos, look intimidating at car drivers and not let on to sports bike riders Very Happy
I can keep this one in my lock up so it won't get rusty.

To be honest passing all the tests is the easiest part, picking the right bike when they all kind of look the same is the hard part.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 28 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naked bike = wind blast that keeps speeds down a bit.
If you're looking for something really different..... try a Buell.

Edit. https://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/bikereviews/searchresults/bike-reviews/buell/buell-xb9sx-lightning-2004-current/

No idea if it's in price range or not, or if you'd even ever find one.
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