Emergency stop Mod 1 - how much welly? Update - Failed

[Frostdog]

Hey quick question

Mod 1 Tuesday....

I'm comfortable with most of what's needed, been watching YouTube and following advice. Only concern is emergency stop and is it full on front brake or a squeeze (then back brake)

I've been doing quite a few, alls been good then today it was wet and back brake skidded a bit. Is that considered a fail? Do they make any allowance for rain? I'm sure Itl be fine, just only area I feel that's bothering me
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[Efes123]

The stop needs to be firm and in control. You actually have acres to stop in, not what is really an emergency stop at all. But you deffo need the back brake as you'll fail if they don't see you using it
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[Frostdog]

Ahh ok thanks. So I there's not a set distance? I do stop fairly quickly, just wondered if it's straight on front brake full on or more gradual than that as I know smooth is always better with biking.
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[Efes123]

there is a set distance, but it's a lot longer than you would normally do an emergency stop in

Firm application of the front, followed by the same on the back. No skidding like I did first time Which despite impressing the examiner wit hmy control of the skid, still resulted in me failing lol
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[BrownTrousers]

Regarding back brake, They do want to see you use it.

If you can show them your foot is on it, without actually using it then there is no risk of locking up and everyone wins.
My instructed told me just to hover on it and pretend and I've seen the same advice given on here before.

Regarding stopping distance, I was told that they are basically looking for a prompt stop; no actual measurements but it should be clear that you are putting pressure on breaks, front forks dipping steadily but firmly.

Finally, regarding the wet, just remember that the surface at the test centers is awesome and a bit of rain won't change much grip wise for manouvrers at 35mph.
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[Efes123]

Aye, ^^^^ +1 just pretend to use the back, makes it one less thing to think about
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[CaNsA]

front brake, give it enough until you are about to stop then slightly ease off otherwise the front will lock up.

don't give it loads on the back brake, just enough for he brake light to come on.


Dont listen to any advice smiler may give.

[Efes123]

[Rogue_Shadow]

Control is everything
During my Wet mod 1 the rear of my bike squirmed a fair bit.
However because I let off the brakes and reapplied to regain control, I wasn't penalised for it
Something I failed to do on the previous attempt

[MC]

Best not to see it as an emergency stop, its more a brisk stop. As others have said, don't slam on the rear brake, as if you lockup you will fail. Also obviously don't grab at the front brake as you'll risk locking the front & going down.

The emergency stop on my test was pathetic, I started braking gently, then thought oh $hit this is meant to be emergency then banged the clutch in way too early Still passed with a minor on the exercise, dunno what for (distance?).
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[Frostdog]

Nice one, thanks for clearing that one up. I had it in my head I'm doing a total emergency stop. Good advice ta, practice on way home 👍
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[Frostdog]

I'll probably cruise along now and sail right past....fail 😜
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[noobRider]

+1 on pretending to use the back
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[hedgehugger]

My OH only used the front brake on his E-stop and hit the deck.
(it was wet though)
I used both brakes, was slow doing the stop, and passed.


This was pre-mod 1&2, we did our tests on the road.

[DottyDuck]

[Rogerborg]

Eh. I passed without an instructor spouting bollocks, and without using the rear in the dry (but with my foot on it in case I needed to use it).

Stop in the box without locking up a wheel. It's really not hard. You can do it on the road, so you can do it on the mod 1 playground. There's far too much over-thinking about it.
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[Llama-Farmer]

Brake is as short a distance as possible whilst in complete control of the bike. So no stoppies.

I did my tests on a BMW G650 XC which had ABS. After the first 10 practices though my instructor kept clipping me round the ear if the ABS kicked in. And to be fair I was stopping a lot shorter when it didn't kick in. Would be grateful for it in the wet, didn't need it in the dry. Not when learning to ride with an instructor.
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[i.p.phrealy]

lots of front brake, hover over the back, clutch if you remember at the very end, a stall is only 1 minor.
this is what I was taught 3 weeks ago and I passed my MOD1 first time.
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[MC]

[Rogerborg]

[Az]

Don't snatch the brakes/pull the leaver in too quickly. Shut off the throttle and give a firm gradual pull of the brake lever until the forks suppress a noticeable amount and then pull in the clutch so you don't stall. As for the back brake, just keep your foot above the rear brake leaver but don't intentionally press down on it.

That's the way I was taught and I passed with this method, although I was on a MT-03 which was pretty light and had decent Brembo brakes, so it didn't take much to stop it.

[Llama-Farmer]

[Frostdog]

Good advice everyone thanks

I think to a degree I am overthinking it. Itl be fine, I just was I sure how much to pull on front brake for the exercise but now I know, firm but smooth and squeeze then a little back brake just ever so much.

I practiced this on way home and had a good few stops so minds at rest. Cheers 😁👍
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[Rogerborg]

[Amber Phoenix]

When I was learning, my instructors reckoned that I'd fail the e-stop if the examiners heard the ABS clicking in. Dunno, how much truth there is in that...

Either way, firm on the front brake, don't snatch it in all at once, ease it in with gradually increasing force. You'll have tonnes of space to stop in, no need to stop on a button. On my mod 1, I was a bit eager, examiner said I should really keep rear wheel on the ground during an e-stop... Just a minor though, phew....
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