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JohnMK
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Will Motorcycles lose their sounds Reply with quote

Greetings all Smile

It has concerned me to say that there is a possibility that the Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) could come to an end if no one is going to do something about it and that electric engines will become dominant and I am hoping that this will not be the case and I am willing to do something about this as I love the roar of the ICE on both motorcycles and cars. I am aware however that the current fuel source is killing our planet and hopefully we can find an alternative.

Personally I love the sound of motorcycle engines and I hope they don't take it away , just wanting to hear what your thoughts were ?

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PostPosted: 18:05 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Re: Will Motorcycles lose their sounds Reply with quote

JohnMK wrote:
Greetings all Smile

As we all know we will one day have all electric motor vehicles


Will we?

It is likely that the internal combustion engine may not be in general use at sometime in the future, but sorry, your question is a leap in time away from being relevant for consideration.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

As electric vehicles become more prominent they'll certainly have to do something about the noise. Don't want people stepping out in front of vehicles without looking because they didn't hear them.

Some cars like the BMW M5 iirc actually generate artificial exhaust noise that is played inside the cabin because they're so well insulated from outside noises. And if you have an M5 you want to hear that engine.

Maybe something like that would be in place.
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Re: Will Motorcycles lose their sounds Reply with quote

delsol wrote:
JohnMK wrote:
Greetings all Smile

As we all know we will one day have all electric motor vehicles


Will we?

It is likely that the internal combustion engine may not be in general use at sometime in the future, but sorry, your question is a leap in time away from being relevant for consideration.


Yes I understand , just wanting to hear thoughts
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully the wide spread use of electric-powered vehicles will be stopped in it's tracks by some awesome super self-sustaining self-regenerating energy source and we can all ride stuff like this.


https://i.imgur.com/uSFuXNJ.jpg

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PostPosted: 18:47 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Hopefully the wide spread use of electric-powered vehicles will be stopped in it's tracks by some awesome super self-sustaining self-regenerating energy source and we can all ride stuff like this.


https://i.imgur.com/uSFuXNJ.jpg


Yeah that would be pretty damn awesome !
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the things I love about motorcycles is that the sound the engine makes when you ride and rev , that's one of the reasons I started this post , I hope they won't take it away but who knows maybe engineers will figure something out
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:47 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
y some awesome super self-sustaining self-regenerating energy source

Which will likely produce electricity Smile.

I have no problem with electricity and it has some useful applications - for short journeys it makes a lot of sense. But decent storage options are a long way off for longer journeys so far.
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll take like 50+ years before there will be electric bikes only. I'll be 73 by that time and ready for the box, so it does not bother me. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They add a chemical to natural gas so we can smell a gas leak - some artificial sound is likely inevitable with electric engines of the future.

The sound needs to be of a low enough frequency so it can be heard around corners or bends - but not so low that it penetrates my walls!

It would be nice to go to sleep without hearing rev/gear change, rev/gear change*, but very weird for a while..

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PostPosted: 21:31 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

it'll be in legislation at some point. Automotive legislation is sloooow though, but the wheels are turning, plenty of people are looking at it.

I've driven quite a few hybrids and it is quite shocking how many people lemming out in front of them.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not so sure that it will become a legal requirement to have a sound. As electric vehicles become more common, pedestrians should become more aware that something quiet may be approaching and learn to take more care (unless, of course, we are also saying that pedal cycles going in excess of 20mph should also have an audible warning...). When pedestrians purposely remove their sense of hearing with an iPod and then don't look either then there is little hope for them no matter what noise a vehicle makes.

As a society we should be welcoming the coming lack of sonic pollution, not insisting that it continues.
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

bamt wrote:

As a society we should be welcoming the coming lack of sonic pollution, not insisting that it continues.


Well that rather depends if you like the sound or not.....
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 30 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like a good engine noise - even in my car, hearing that V8 roar is awesome.

But, that's not the same as thinking that this is the be-all-and-end-all. There is something equally as awesome about swooping along silently, with only the gentle buzz of the tyres on the road - and on an electric engined bike I'd much rather have that than a synthetic engine noise.

Or, as is more likely if the government get involved, a recorded voice similar to the reversing one on trucks announcing "Warning, vehicle approaching. Warning, vehicle approaching. Warning..."
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

bamt wrote:
I like a good engine noise - even in my car, hearing that V8 roar is awesome.

But, that's not the same as thinking that this is the be-all-and-end-all. There is something equally as awesome about swooping along silently, with only the gentle buzz of the tyres on the road - and on an electric engined bike I'd much rather have that than a synthetic engine noise.

Or, as is more likely if the government get involved, a recorded voice similar to the reversing one on trucks announcing "Warning, vehicle approaching. Warning, vehicle approaching. Warning..."


How many people would cut the wire to speakers if it did that. Or just take a hammer to it. Even an EU anti tamper law won't stop them.
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PostPosted: 00:54 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

bamt wrote:
I'm not so sure that it will become a legal requirement to have a sound.

For some years now, the only sound you notice from many ICE cars is the road noise from the tyres because the sound deadening is good enough - along with being in a high gear probably.
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PostPosted: 07:41 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Fisker Karma used to make a faux-engine sound when running off the batteries when it was being driven under 30mph, sounded like a cross between a jet and a vacuum cleaner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABlWqBB6zPE

And the Brammo Empulse doesn't make an engine sound, but beeps at you to let you know when to change gear (and the gearbox itself is fairly loud.) https://youtu.be/1nN1q2ihw2Y?t=7m39s

I'm guessing at some point manufacturers will start dubbing their own sounds in on their EVs.
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tristan. wrote:
I've driven quite a few hybrids and it is quite shocking how many people lemming out in front of them.


Only because people are used to vehicles making noise and so don't bother to look. Natural selection will deal with them as electric cars become prevalent. I say we bring back bullbars and mount poisoned spikes on them to speed up the process.
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe this will happen?

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PostPosted: 11:38 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
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Reminded me of when you did this...
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I would say this done when you were a child, except I don't want to assume that given the BCF userbase.

On topic meh! The car makers have already said they may fit artificial sound to electric vehicles. Unless they give away these electric cars/bikes with cornflake packets I'm not going to be able to afford them anytime soon.

Plus isn't the jury still out on battery life? I heard a report on the radio a while back (Radio 5) insurance companies don't know how they'll stand after 6 years life. This as complete replacement probably required, which would cost more than the estimated value of the car.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, sure. The big issue for me is that when buying a used ICE vehicle, you start it from cold, rev it up, go through the gears, and you pretty much know if it's a good 'un.

With an electric vehicle, how do you know how much charge is really left in the battery?

You drive/ride it from full until it stops. That's the only way you'll really know.

Would you buy one without doing that? Best of luck, you'll need it.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tristan. wrote:
it'll be in legislation at some point. Automotive legislation is sloooow though, but the wheels are turning, plenty of people are looking at it.

I've driven quite a few hybrids and it is quite shocking how many people lemming out in front of them.


That's just a matter of experience. We pay attention to noise because we're used to it. As there becomes more silent vehicles people will begin to look. Think of it like the early days of the motor vehicle where someone had to walk in front with a flag or fire off flares every mile... Silly noises for the sake of them will seem equally ridiculous at some point in the future.
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting reply's guys , I really appreciate it . Do you guys think motorcycle manufacturers will find a way for electric engines to produce a sound like motorbikes do now ? and how long do you think it will take for every motorcycle to become electric ?
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we've some time before electric motorcycles become the norm. This last year wasn't great for electric cars and until they've got that right I don't think we have too much to concern ourselves with, just yet at any rate!
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