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 Posted: 21:33 - 03 Apr 2014  Post subject: Sidecar test |
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So a new rider cannot take a direct test on a sidecar outfit unless they are disabled WDF is that all about? granted not many people have an interest in outfits anymore but my nephew does but since he has to go through the other full bike tests first with all the bloody restrictions he has now lost interest.
"Motor tricycles
Provisional category B car licences and provisional category A licences now only cover you to ride motor tricycles if you have a physical disability. Driving tests for 3-wheeled vehicles are only available for physically disabled drivers.
If you’re not physically disabled and want to ride a motor tricycle you’ll now need to get the right provisional entitlement and complete CBT.
You’ll need a full category A1 motorbike licence to ride motor tricycles up to power output 15kW, and a full category A motorbike licence to ride trikes with a power output more than 15kW.
Once you’ve completed CBT you have 2 years to pass your full motorbike theory and practical tests or you’ll have to complete CBT again."
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| Posted: 22:05 - 03 Apr 2014 Post subject: |
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It could make sense - if it wasn't for the fact you can still ride quads with 'bike controls' on a car license. No logic  |
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| Posted: 13:29 - 04 Apr 2014 Post subject: |
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Not sure if this is true or not, but I was always told that if you had the reverse gear disabled profesionally and certified as such, you could drive a Reliant Robin on a provisional bike licence (with relevant "L" plates) as it then got classed as a tricycle and lumped in the same group as a RD250 with a sidewinder on it (you can tell how long ago this was).
Slightly off topic, but hey, it is Friday and the pub is open 
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| Posted: 20:41 - 07 Apr 2014 Post subject: |
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Probably did him a favour - bloody dangerous contraptions. I rode one about on L-plates for a few months as a teenager (because back then you could). I hit a milk float with the mudguard on my first ride out then later ran it into a ditch on a left bend which I took too fast and forgot that I couldn't lean into it 
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No, I crashed mine because I was an 18 year old with more sense of adventure than preservation.
I still don't understand how you say the steering has nothing to do with it above 10mph. How do you go from 20mph to 60mph on a straight road?
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| Pete. wrote: | How do you go from 20mph to 60mph on a straight road? |
Navigation. I thought part of the dark art of charioteering was to plot your route to avoid straight rods, and use only bendy ones, and then try to get the sinusoidal 'weave' phased so that it followed the road, rather than tacked through the hedge-rows.
Though I was told, if you couldn't avoid a road like Wattling street or the Fosseway, you were to screw down the pre-load on the head-race bearings with the big knob in the middle of the handlebars, to lock the steering in HOPEFULLY the straight ahead position, mid weave.
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Ahhh. the good old days when you could drive certain Reliant Robins on a full motorcycle licence (subject to weight of the model) and by bolting a tiny side car to the side of a motorcycle liberated you from the Provisional Licence Restriction of 250cc.
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| Posted: 10:46 - 08 Apr 2014 Post subject: |
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Well I'll grant you that throttle has an effect on quads and combis rate of turn just as it does on a bike, but to say the steering has no effect at all over 10mph on a combi is just potato.
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| Boozehawk wrote: | So in order to avoid the hassle of getting a proper licence people would get on the motorised equivalent of a three legged horse just so long as it had a few more BHP than a 250, sheeshh. |
The Driving Licence was introduced in 1903; but no test was required to get one until 1935! You could take 'the' driving test on a motorbike, in a car, or on a motorcycle-side-car combination.... and that was it. You had a driving licence!... for like anything!
Apparently testing was suspended during the 2nd World War; but when it resumed after; following military protocols, the modern groups for motorcycle, car, and lorry were introduced.
So, up until 1961, there was no real learner restrictions; you could ride whatever bike you wanted, without taking tests, on L-Plates, (introduced in 1936, according to only source I could find) so there wasn't really much incentive to do tests! (especially as according to the MOT history site, they doubled the test fee from 10 shillings to £1 in 1956!)
Post '61, Few reasons, to get an outfit; a typical 250 of the time was something like a BSA Bantum, or one of the many villiers powered two-strokes. A more style concious learner might go for something like a BSA C15 or Triumph Tiger-Cub, because it was a four-stroke; but either way, its performance would make a CG125 look 'adequete'.
If you could afford it; buying a Triumph 650 Twin or similar, and slapping a chair on the side, if it didn't already have one, was then a bit like more recent learner getting an Aprillia RS125 with the plan to de-restrict once they passed test.
Also likely to be more acceptable to 'Mum'.
Meanwhile, economically; up until the 50's, bike & side-car combo's had been working mans mules; and there were a heck of a lot knocking about with 'commercial' side-cars on them; used as tradesman delivery vehicles and the like; being cheap and usefully economical as well as available, in an era still suffering from rationing and war shortages.
1960's? The removal of rationing, and the boom in consumer credit saw these getting de-commissioned and sold off cheap, in favour of small vans.
16 years old? Cant afford a BSA Bantum? Cant get Dad to sign you up on the never-never? Stuff it; save up for a couple of weeks, buy an old ex AA BSA 650 side-valver, with tool-box chair, for a fiver!
There was quite significant economic reason, then for an outfit, as well as performance; and we aren't talking 'a couple of BHP' over a 250 solo. Typical 250 solo of that time, might have made 15bhp if you were lucky; 650 Bonaville, 50 or more. Even an old side-valve Beeza, would have likely made 25-30ish... and I'm lead to believe that the more informed ton-up-teen reckoned that a good side-valver could be made rather potent, with lumpy cam, high compression pistons, and a 3/16 drill used to ream out the main-jet to run on a mix of 2:1 Petrol & Meths! Without the risk of a dropped valve or broken spring causing carnage, as it often did trying to tweek the OHVers!
And the test? Well... it was the old wobble round the block era, and while the test didn't demand too much competence... getting past the prejudice of the ex-army type examiner could prove slightly harder!
My Mum did her bike test in on a Vespa. My uncle had got it especially for him and his mates to do their tests on! Apparently if they turned up on their BSA's or Trumpets to the Stratford test centre, in jeans and leather jacket, the "Brigadier" car tester was almost guaranteed to find reason to fail them. If they went over to Leamington, on the Vespa, in a pair of chords and my Uncle's rowing club sweater..... they almost didn't have to ride the damn thing; the examiner would spend twenty minutes of the half hour test, regaling them with regatta stories and send them on their way! "Well, its only till you can afford a car, isn't it, fella-mi-lad?"!
3-wheelers? I believe, were an anomaly, in so much as in the 1950's, not classed as a 'car' they were exempt from firstly incredibly high purchase taxes, as well as the rationing restrictions that gave precedence to exports, then commercial buyers, before private individuals. So they were often the only 'new' vehicle you could buy, or even afford. But I recall comment in a documentary I think on the Reliant, that when they had removed the rationing restrictions, and levelled purchase taxes, in 1959 a brand new Austin Mini with 803cc A-Series engine, was actually £50 cheaper than the Reliant Regal with the same engine!
But many would bear that, to be able to have a 'car' at 16, or to drive one on a motorbike, having self tought on L's unsupervised, rather than have to find or pay some-one with a car and car licence to teach them, before they could go out on thier own. Remember, that until the 1970's womans lib, only something like one in twenty women learned to drive! Having 'mummies car' to learn in and use as a teen-ager, was something that wasn't common until the 1980's.
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