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Kwakki Si
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 05 Apr 2014    Post subject: ignition barrel bolts gone?! zx6r g2, what bolts do i need?? Reply with quote
Hi, somehow both the bolts that hold the ignition barrel to the bike have come out, any one know what size and type of bolt i need? cheers.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 05 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Some how?

Shear bolts?

Are you taking the piss?
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 05 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nobby the chihuahua wrote:
Some how?

Shear bolts?

Are you taking the piss?


No joke, the bolts have gone! it did feel a bit loose earlier when putting the key in.
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 05 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
If it's stolen, I'm not going to help.

If it's not stolen, you won't mind going into your local bike shop and ordering replacements. They'll be able to look up and order the correct ones.
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PostPosted: 00:10 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
I believe they are usually M8 thread sheer bolts. M8 cap head bolts, drilled after fitting to prevent being undone and threadlock/epoxy will provide very good security. Seal the recess with epoxy if paranoid Laughing

It would be far easier for a thief to break the steering lock by foot/hit the lock to break the bolts/remove top bolt and yoke.. than try to remove them.

To find lock bolts gone would cause me some alarm, but most likely the lock has been replaced and bodged by a previous owner.
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Kwakki Si
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
kramdra wrote:
I believe they are usually M8 thread sheer bolts. M8 cap head bolts, drilled after fitting to prevent being undone and threadlock/epoxy will provide very good security. Seal the recess with epoxy if paranoid Laughing

It would be far easier for a thief to break the steering lock by foot/hit the lock to break the bolts/remove top bolt and yoke.. than try to remove them.

To find lock bolts gone would cause me some alarm, but most likely the lock has been replaced and bodged by a previous owner.


Yeah perhaps it was bodged in the past, ive had the bike 2 years now and its only just happened?? i did have to start leaving the bike outside for a few months as i was commuting on it but have stopped commuting on it as it nearly killed the joy of owning a motorbike, so perhaps someone has been fucking with it or tried to nick it?
I will have to search around for new bolts but i think i might just cable tie the barrel to the frame lol.
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
The originals are m6.

Just replace with cap screws.
The steering lock will be ineffective until they are replaced; pretty much as usual there then .
Zip ties will suffice temporarily.

Many reasons why the originals may have been removed and badly replaced if they did not just vibrate out. (They do have Loctite on initially )
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Then you wont have steering lock and so thieft part of insurance probably void.
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Kwakki Si
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hugh Farking Cant wrote:
The originals are m6.

Just replace with cap screws.
The steering lock will be ineffective until they are replaced; pretty much as usual there then .
Zip ties will suffice temporarily.

Many reasons why the originals may have been removed and badly replaced if they did not just vibrate out. (They do have Loctite on initially )


Brilliant, cheers. What length do i need?
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
"Then you wont have steering lock and so thieft part of insurance probably void."


You have to do quite a bit of work at the roadside to even get at the fixing screws.
Have you ever heard of an ignition being swapped out in order to initially to get the bike away ?................

No !



And why ?

Because even a simpleton would do as you already stated;
Kick the bars and shear the tiny little femmer pin or use a 50p screwdriver in the lock.
Who the fuck is going to be faffing on with an allen key trying to undo an ineffective lock to get a bike away ?

Do you mean theft liability?

Why yes; certainly a valuation inspector is going to go to into detail in order to define that the ignition fixing screws as fitted by the factory were installed. NOT.

I am unable to inform of the correct length required to replace with a cap screw Kwakki Si

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PostPosted: 11:25 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kwakki Si wrote:
Hugh Farking Cant wrote:
The originals are m6.

Just replace with cap screws.
The steering lock will be ineffective until they are replaced; pretty much as usual there then .
Zip ties will suffice temporarily.

Many reasons why the originals may have been removed and badly replaced if they did not just vibrate out. (They do have Loctite on initially )


Brilliant, cheers. What length do i need?


Originals are M6 x 16mm Torx which should be loctite'd in.

If you google: CHKM286697 it will fetch up links for a schematic of the parts.
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wow, brilliant, thanks! is it ok just to replace them with allen key bolts and loctite them in?
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yep can't see why not. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kwakki Si wrote:
Wow, brilliant, thanks! is it ok just to replace them with allen key bolts and loctite them in?



Yes; unless you intend entering in a motorcycle show in the original concourse section.

In that case, the judges; ( usually fanatical insurance valuation assessors by occupation) would catch you out virtually instantaneously and you and the machine would be rapidly removed from the venue accompanied by hideous cries from the now enraged crowd.
One would be fortunate not to be stoned to death or burned at the stake after being drawn and quartered for such an offence.

Hope this answered the other numpty cockwombles who posted (NOT Si or Nick 50)
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 06 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hugh Farking Cant wrote:
Kwakki Si wrote:
Wow, brilliant, thanks! is it ok just to replace them with allen key bolts and loctite them in?



Yes; unless you intend entering in a motorcycle show in the original concourse section.

In that case, the judges; ( usually fanatical insurance valuation assessors by occupation) would catch you out virtually instantaneously and you and the machine would be rapidly removed from the venue accompanied by hideous cries from the now enraged crowd.
One would be fortunate not to be stoned to death or burned at the stake after being drawn and quartered.


phew! last thing i want is to be stoned to death (not the good type of stoned anyways!)
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Hugh Farking Cant wrote:
"Then you wont have steering lock and so thieft part of insurance probably void."


You have to do quite a bit of work at the roadside to even get at the fixing screws.
Have you ever heard of an ignition being swapped out in order to initially to get the bike away ?................

No !



And why ?

Because even a simpleton would do as you already stated;
Kick the bars and shear the tiny little femmer pin or use a 50p screwdriver in the lock.
Who the fuck is going to be faffing on with an allen key trying to undo an ineffective lock to get a bike away ?

Do you mean theft liability?

Why yes; certainly a valuation inspector is going to go to into detail in order to define that the ignition fixing screws as fitted by the factory were installed. NOT.

I am unable to inform of the correct length required to replace with a cap screw Kwakki Si

Edits for grammatical errors and composition.


My comment was in reply to Kwaks suggestion of using cable ties to hold it to the frame - steering lock would not function and bike would be easy to steal. There is no way any insurer would pay out if they noticed - Im certain they would if they inspect the bike.


If I were to steal a bike, Id prefer the easy task of removing yoke, which I suspect I could do equally as fast as breaking the lock, and also avoids damage which is relevant if you wanted to sell it on. The lock does not need to be removed from yoke - only top yoke from bike. It also looks a lot less suspicious in a public place, and the few tools perhaps make a good legal-to-carry weapon Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 02:17 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
kramdra wrote:
Hugh Farking Cant wrote:
"Then you wont have steering lock and so thieft part of insurance probably void."


You have to do quite a bit of work at the roadside to even get at the fixing screws.
Have you ever heard of an ignition being swapped out in order to initially to get the bike away ?................

No !



And why ?



My comment was in reply to Kwaks suggestion of using cable ties to hold it to the frame - steering lock would not function and bike would be easy to steal. There is no way any insurer would pay out if they noticed - Im certain they would if they inspect the bike.


If I were to steal a bike, Id prefer the easy task of removing yoke, which I suspect I could do equally as fast as breaking the lock, and also avoids damage which is relevant if you wanted to sell it on. The lock does not need to be removed from yoke - only top yoke from bike. It also looks a lot less suspicious in a public place, and the few tools perhaps make a good legal-to-carry weapon Thumbs Up


The key of of the zip tie advice was "temporary; until bolts could be sourced".

And of course the owner would admit to fitting the ties himself on a bike that had been recovered as stolen ?

It is not the yoke that is hard to remove; it is access to the ignition multiplug ;usually buried under the tank.

Of course many thieves carry a selection of top yokes and ignitions in their pockets, in order to swap out at the roadside so as not to draw attention to themselves. !

Be realistic FFS.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Who said anything about replacing the yoke? It is easily removed to disable steering lock, then the bike can be pushed away. The ignition wires would be cut.


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I will have to search around for new bolts but i think i might just cable tie the barrel to the frame lol.



This did not sound temporary to me. As I said above I was not replying to your advice.
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
kramdra wrote:
My comment was in reply to Kwaks suggestion of using cable ties to hold it to the frame - steering lock would not function and bike would be easy to steal.

Maybe 30 seconds easier.


kramdra wrote:
There is no way any insurer would pay out if they noticed

Oh, you've worked for all of them?

Looking over my policy document from Hastings Direct (hataz), it only talks about cars. As it turns out, the only exclusions are if the keys are left in or on the vehicle, or if it's left running (which seems redundant). It wouldn't even have to be locked (handy, my C3 doesn't lock).

Now, you explain to me how they could refuse to pay out for a motorcycle theft when:

1) They apparently don't even have a motorcycle policy document that sets out specific limits on the theft losses that they've plainly agreed to cover.

2) On any reasonable interpretation of the car document, all I'm required to do is to keep the keys away from the vehicle.

Go on.


kramdra wrote:
Im certain they would if they inspect the bike.

A stolen / recovered bike with a bodged ignition barrel? How unuuuuusual, better call the FBI.
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To steal the majority of bikes, just bridging the ignition wires at the connector is enough, it takes about 20 seconds to get to most. Simple hot wiring.

if you didn't have HISS on the blackbird, you'd only need to remove the screen and join 2 wires Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
kramdra wrote:
Who said anything about replacing the yoke? It is easily removed to disable steering lock, then the bike can be pushed away. The ignition wires would be cut.


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I will have to search around for new bolts but i think i might just cable tie the barrel to the frame lol.



This did not sound temporary to me. As I said above I was not replying to your advice.


How you gonna push a bike away without h/bars; most by some means are attached to the yoke ?
Even clippies under the yoke are secured by fixings.
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Paddy. wrote:
To steal the majority of bikes, just bridging the ignition wires at the connector is enough, it takes about 20 seconds to get to most. Simple hot wiring.

if you didn't have HISS on the blackbird, you'd only need to remove the screen and join 2 wires Laughing


Paddy; me thinks the old screwdriver even quicker; unless a immobiliser key system is fitted.

Is that the HISS system you mention ?
and is it so easy breached with the 2 wires bridged ?
Thanks.
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HISS won't let you do this... although, tempted to test it when I next have the screen off...
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Cheers for the info.
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