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Mumrah
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: The 'Short' List Reply with quote

As my test is approaching (call me premature if you wish) I am starting to look at bigger bikes to buy. I'm considering anything from 600-750cc but prefer to stick to the lower end through sheer inexperience.

I always wanted a Ninja but sat on the 636 the other day and it's unlikely to happen. Even with a pair of Daytona 'specials' it's not going to be enough for me to reach the ground comfortably.

Then moved to the R6 - that just ain't happening. My feet were clearing the ground with over 10cm of airspace. Shame as I really quite liked it.

Quite like the GSX 600R and I can just about reach the floor and it will probably work with the boots.

The CBR600RR was another possible option and I found it comfortable, possibly because I'm used to the CBR125? Not sure I want a Honda though.

Daytona 675. I was on tiptoes and need to go back with the Daytona boots to see if it can make the list.

Are there any bikes that I may not have considered that might be worth a try? As you can see from the list so far, I'm after a Supersports. If I can widen the options so that I have more choice when I go to actually test ride, then great.

I'm notorious for getting bored quickly (with cars) and so while I'm limiting the engine size, I don't want to go too low. I'd like a little challenge and something to grow into without the need to write a suicide note before each rideout.

My budget is anything from £3 - £7.5k - although after the recent leathers purchase I'd like to keep that as low as possible. As long as it's reliable with a little maintenance. I don't want something that craps out every journey. I'll be keeping the bike outside so something that's robust would be good.

Oh, and nothing that needs mollycoddling, so no Ducatis.

If anything springs to mind, I'd appreciate the input, including model years to avoid/seek out Smile
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about a 400?

CBR400, VFR400, ZXR400 don't cost the earth, should give you plenty of grins per gallon and are fairly small so should prove no issue to you sizewise.

Grey imports though so you will mostly find them as private sales and the really cheap ones will be shagged.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
What about a 400?

CBR400, VFR400, ZXR400 don't cost the earth, should give you plenty of grins per gallon and are fairly small so should prove no issue to you sizewise.

Grey imports though so you will mostly find them as private sales and the really cheap ones will be shagged.


Someone suggested a VFR400 but I worry 400 will bore me quickly. No harm in a test ride though. I'll sit on the next one I see Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

675 is tall, but has quite a narrow seat, and it's more seat width that'll cause you issues if you're a short arse.

You can get foam taken out, or reprofile the seat to make it easier, so one to consider as well.
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I.Love.Chips wrote:
How tall are you ?

Person I know ride on GSX-R 600 she is a bit of a midget so she get her bike lowered.. Maybe option for you as well ?


I'm 159cm.

I prefer not to lower and keep the bike standard height. I know it will limit my options but if I can get away with even a couple then that's at least two to choose from.

Watch me come back and say I've bought and lowered an R6. . . or Ninja Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mumrah wrote:
I.Love.Chips wrote:
How tall are you ?

Person I know ride on GSX-R 600 she is a bit of a midget so she get her bike lowered.. Maybe option for you as well ?


I'm 159cm.

I prefer not to lower and keep the bike standard height. I know it will limit my options but if I can get away with even a couple then that's at least two to choose from.

Watch me come back and say I've bought and lowered an R6. . . or Ninja Very Happy


Only lower it if you want to cock up your handling or lose ground clearance.
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
675 is tall, but has quite a narrow seat, and it's more seat width that'll cause you issues if you're a short arse.

You can get foam taken out, or reprofile the seat to make it easier, so one to consider as well.


Yes, the 675 is very narrow on the seat. I'd forgotten about the padding removal option (must have read that in the sticky shortarse thread). . . hhhmmmm. Thanks Smile
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just learn to slide your arse over and use one foot on the ground. We've established your legs are at least 2 inches longer than mine and I manage fine on anything not designed for a 6 foot 5 Austrian.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy, I've been thinking about your bum-slide technique over the last few days and it may be something I learn to do with experience but for my first big bike, I'd definitely like to be able to touch the floor.

If anyone's going to embarrass themselves at the lights by doing a "play it nice and cool, Trig, nice and cool", with their bike, it'll be me! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh, I'm hoping my head wins out because Wafer Thin Ham is right, I don't want to fuck with the bike's design as it was built that way for a reason.

I should consider myself lucky to be as tall as I am or that would be the only option! Smile
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a 400, there's not a massive variation in 600 seat heights really. Not between sports bikes anyway

My rvf 400 was very low, could flat foot both feet with my knees bent and im not tall

You said about getting bored, I never got bored of that bike except on 100+ mile motorway stints, in the twisties it was great fun. Plenty enough power and capabilities for most situations
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm definitely going to try out some 400s and see how they feel. Once tests are passed, obviously Very Happy

Do you get bored on 100+ mile trips on your GSXR? I plan to do some long journeys so that could be a factor too.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mumrah wrote:
I'm definitely going to try out some 400s and see how they feel. Once tests are passed, obviously Very Happy

Do you get bored on 100+ mile trips on your GSXR? I plan to do some long journeys so that could be a factor too.


If im just sat on motorways then yeah, it's far too easy to loose your liscence on the motorway on the gsxr, didn't feel the need to sit at outrageous speeds on the rvf, it felt quicker at lower speeds
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mumrah wrote:
Someone suggested a VFR400 but I worry 400 will bore me quickly.


People always underestimate the sheer awesomeness of a 400.

The VFR400 is shit, get a zxr400 Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The zxr400 is the tallest. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A budget of £3k is enough for a nice 03+ 600RR. Wouldn't be looking older than that.

That is just me though, £3k budget pushes me past all the older 400s. Nothing against them but would only buy one if I had £1500 burning a hole, not double that.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ZXR is 760-765 seat height. The CBR125R is 776 so I should easily handle that.

The GSX 600R seems to be 810 and that's probably the max without Daytona boots. The Daytona 675 is 820 and probably my max with boots.

The future seems to be looking a little brighter Very Happy
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm selling my gsxr for 3k at the minute if your interested Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
A budget of £3k is enough for a nice 03+ 600RR. Wouldn't be looking older than that.

That is just me though, £3k budget pushes me past all the older 400s. Nothing against them but would only buy one if I had £1500 burning a hole, not double that.


What about the newer 400s?
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

clancy wrote:
I'm selling my gsxr for 3k at the minute if your interested Laughing

Heh, ask me again if you haven't sold it in a month's time Very Happy
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What newer 400s?

I paid 2.5k for my rvf, kept it 3 years and tripped the miles, sold it for 2.5k the day I put it up for sale. I had no regrets about spending that much on an old bike, it was immaculate, if it's looked after they hold their value
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 08 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
The zxr400 is the tallest. Thumbs Down


It also has an amazing thing called a "Ride Height Adjuster" located under the seat.

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PostPosted: 11:24 - 09 Apr 2014    Post subject: Re: The 'Short' List Reply with quote

Mumrah wrote:
I'm notorious for getting bored quickly (with cars) and so while I'm limiting the engine size, I don't want to go too low. I'd like a little challenge and something to grow into without the need to write a suicide note before each rideout.

Well, risking the wrath of BCF... you are looking at sportsbikes. these are all machines optimised for one purpose, 'easy fast'. As such, newb gets on one, and they get what they expect, kwik-thrills, and they do soon 'out-grow' them, because they quickly normalise that level of exitement from speed, and as that's pretty much all the bikes designed to deliver, only way to up the game and get back the exitement is to get bigger sportsbike.
They are not a great starting point.
Now, I have been riding over three decades. I still have THE most fun bike I have ever bought. It was built in 1981, has a single cylinder engine, with less than 250cc, making less than 15bhp.
FUN is NOT measured in cc's, nor bhp's.
My road bike is a CB750, Slated by the press, as a bit 'ho-hum' and uninspiring, even as an 'all-rounder'... 75bhp, its barely more powerful than a 600 divvy; bhp's aren't even related that closely to cc's; and even LESS to 'Fun'. I've had that bike almost a decade, and don't feel I have 'out-grown' it, or am likely to. If anything, I am growing IN to it. Doesn't do anything amazingly; but it does an awful lot, and does it pretty competantly; and lets me FIND fun. Whether that is hacking down a twisty country road; loading it with kit and heading off to a rally; packing my camera and heading to a meet, or just blasting a few miles of by-pass to go see people.
And there in lies the point. You have to go FIND your own fun.
Learn that, and ANY bike can be fun, from a C50 moped, to a BMW S1000, and all points in between.
Danger with sports-bikes, is that they can provide you a dose of adrenaline, and lead you to believe that's the only sort of fun bikes offer, AND that it comes from the bike... not you. Its NOT.
My advice?
Expand your horizons. Look at ALL biking has to offer, and learn to FIND THE FUN, and not expect the bike to do it all for you.
Its first big-bike, not once and forever only bike you can ever have, bike; no one says you have to keep'em forever (even though I seem to!) go sample the shmorgas board, enjoy the starters, dont try diving into the main course, and forget to enjoy it, thinking the whole time about what pudding is going to be.
Here and now, still no licence to ride, you are on the start of the learning curve, and you have a long way to grow into almost ANY 'big-bike' let alone out-grow it, and you'll only get 'bored' if you let it bore you.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 09 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Tef, get the R6.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 09 Apr 2014    Post subject: Re: The 'Short' List Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Mumrah wrote:
I'm notorious for getting bored quickly (with cars) and so while I'm limiting the engine size, I don't want to go too low. I'd like a little challenge and something to grow into without the need to write a suicide note before each rideout.

Well, risking the wrath of BCF... <snip>

I can understand and appreciate where you're coming from but ever since I saw a Ninja at 14, I've wanted one. Now I accept that I probably won't end up with my 'dream' bike but the look and performance of a Supersports is what I'm hungering for. I would like to particpate in track days as much as I'd like to go on rideouts. Getting a bike that delivers on performance to the level I need it and also works well on the road is my aim.

I've taken on board the suggestions you've made and if my Supersports purchase doesn't give me the enjoyment I thought it would then I will concede and explore the other options but I need to make that 'mistake' first or I'll permanently want to scratch that itch.
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