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 Posted: 17:26 - 15 Apr 2014  Post subject: Re: KTM 250 EXC 2T AS LICENSE? HELP PLEASE |
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| kaned93 wrote: | I'm 19 and have an a2 license is a ktm 250 exc 2 stroke OK? Or is it too powerful appreciate the help thanks Kane. |
Without checking the numbers over again; Neither 250 nor 300 are A2 compliment without restriction.
300 is over 45bhp power limit to start with.
250 I think may just be beneath the 45bhp limit
But both would require restriction down to around that of a full-power 125, about 22bhp, to be made A2 complient, due to the maximum permisseable power to weight limit, and both bikes being crisp-packet featherweights.
300, is then actually one of the anomolies, because even thogh it only makes a couple of bhp over 45 limit, the amount of restriction needed to bet it under power to weight restriction, is greater than the 'half original power' requirement. So you cant legally restrict a 300. 250 I think might be restricted.
But, two strokes can be awkward to restrict and remain rideable, so dependent on exhaust harmonics and 'stuff'.
To my mind, big hassle for little gain; get the 125 'Full-Power'.
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| Posted: 18:07 - 15 Apr 2014 Post subject: Re: ah |
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| kaned93 wrote: | KTM 125s are like rocking horse shit! What about the 4 stroke KTM 250 and is 45hp my limit on an a2 license? Thanks a lot for taking the time to reply |
A2 Restrictions are as follows
Maximum 35Kw / 45bhp
Maximum Power to weight 0.2Kw/Kg
A machine MAY be restricted to less than 45bhp from one 'manufacturers' claim more than 45bhp for BUT, such a machine may not be restricted by more than half original power.
So, if a bike makes more than 90bhp 'standard' by manufacturers numbers. Cant be made A2 legal. (Basically crosses most sports 600's off the list)
If a bike is over, I think 175Kg, then maximum (manufacturers) claimed power output you might restrict from is 90bhp, to the maximum allowable 45bhp.
If the bikes under 175Kg, then you have to restrict to something under 45bhp to meet maximum power to weight limit;
Multiply weight in Kg by 0.265 to find out how many bhp THAT bike might have if restricted
If that number less more than half quoted power; it could be made A2 complient.
So start by looking at the claimed weights; that's the key number, NOT the power every-one fixates on.
I have no idea what the KTM2504T numbers are; so, armed with rules, go do the sums for whatever takes your fancy.
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| Posted: 18:09 - 15 Apr 2014 Post subject: |
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Your limit is 35kW (about 47hp for various definitions of horsepower, not "45" by any measure), and no more than 0.2kW/kg.
KTM are a bit reticent about the power on the 250 EXCs but one source claims 37hp for the 2T which is about 27.6kW.
However, since it masses about 110kg wet, it should be restricted to make no more than 22kW.
I say "should" because I would be astonished if you ever find anyone in the police or the insurance cartel who knows that, let alone cares. Their knowledge tends to lag decades behind the legislation, and they'd have to chase up KTM to get the numbers and then do the sums.
If you're really thinking of one for the road, have you considered that the service intervals for both the 2T and 4T are given in hours, not miles? 10, 15 or 20 depending on the model and year.
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| Posted: 18:23 - 15 Apr 2014 Post subject: Re: . |
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| kaned93 wrote: | So your saying I can get insured still on a 2,stroke 250 and it'd be hard for them to prove anything so is worth the risk? Got my mind set on this KTM thanks for all your help |
Only YOU can say whether riding other than in accordance with your licence, and on insurance obtained by deception, is worth the risk.
As to how easy it is to get that insurance? Well, depends what they ask you for when you buy it... note 'buy it'... they'll give you quotes, but you wont always find out what they will demand by way of 'proof of restriction' until you get the confirmation letter asking for a photo-copy of your driving licence, and anything else they might want.
(Add on Ed: Unless you do a lot of digging/asking to find thier 'standard' terms of sale, or policy conditions and requirements. May mean following all the links in a quote site; or even reviewing in detail offered policy terms after gaining a quote; or talking to some-one in real life, on telephone or face to face, and asking what they might want)
Some insurers wont even quote on bikes the DSA haven't but on thier verified 'possible to restrict to A2' list.
Some are a little more relaxed, and ask for nothing, until a claim is made, when they suddenly become very acutely aware of all the technicalitys to wriggle out of pay-out.
Most are some-where in the middle... but they are ALL awkward laws unto themselves!
If you got the 2T250 chances are though some-one, and most likely your insurer will ask for some sort of proof of restriction... easiest way to get that is to get some-one to actually restrict it... other wise? Between, you, your conscience and the insurance companies capriciousness.
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| Posted: 18:45 - 15 Apr 2014 Post subject: Re: . |
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| kaned93 wrote: | So your saying I can get insured still on a 2,stroke 250 |
Almost certainly, yes, since many insurers still only distinguish between "provisional" and "full" licenses. If that's all they ask, then what other answer can you give but "full"? If you find an insurer who knows what they're on about (good luck) then there are plenty more to choose from.
| kaned93 wrote: | and it'd be hard for them to prove anything |
Depends on how much incentive you give them.
I'd suggest that you're more at risk from the local Dibble, especially if you ride around on one wheel. But if it's showing on the MID, and you've got a license, and it's a 250, well, I don't see much chance of it going further than that.
| kaned93 wrote: | so is worth the risk? |
Your call. I rode out my restriction on a bike that claimed very slightly over the power limit as stock, but I ride sedately and it likely wouldn't have tested over the limit, so it was essentially risk free.
Hooning around on an orange 2T wheelie monster might be a different proposition.
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| Posted: 18:56 - 15 Apr 2014 Post subject: . |
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Haha well I won't be racing the street very rarely on road and only using legal green lane locations! Right awesome thanks for all your help 
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