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Tamsin
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 20 Apr 2014    Post subject: Downhill, twisty stuff Reply with quote

Right, so on Tuesday I've got to take a ride that will see me going down Ditchling Beacon which is an exceptionally steep, twisty and narrow road. I dislike it intently in the car/van but no other choice on this matter

So, hints/tips for downhill, tight, twisty roads?
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 20 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't fall off.
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 20 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q2hRRcSeDts/Ukzk2m8cPlI/AAAAAAAAZwA/9tavrjnhMIo/s400/imgg.gif

Low gear, make sure your rear brake hasn't seized up from lack of use, and be prepared to pull over or just stop in the road when the mandatory white van materialises 2" off your rear wheel.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 20 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

1/ Shift your bum back on the saddle. Dont push your torso back against the bars; you wont shift as much weight back, or keep it so low; and you will 'lock-out' so you cant steer.
2/ Change down, to go down. - Exploit engine braking.
3/ Use the back brake to aid engine braking and 'steady' the bike.
4/ Keep off the front brake as much as possible; USE IT, but dont over use it; bikes dont steer too well on the front brake.
5/ Gravity is Great. - go with it
6/ USE THE THROTTLE Dont wuss the bends.
Follow advice above, shift bum back, and use engine braking and back brake to steady the bike, so you aren't braced against the bars, you ought to be relaxed and mobile and able to best steer the bike... and 90% of bike steering is in twisting the right wrist at the right time. If you are turning on a hill, gravity will try and pull you straight down. Throttle gives you a force to make you move in other directions than where gravity wants you to go. USE it.
Its ALL in the wrist.
Keep um supple, stay relaxed, RIDE the bike, make it do what YOU want. Be positive, be confident.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 20 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Base: 88 m. Top: 226 m. Vertical: 134 m.
Length of climb: 1.0 mile / 1.6 km. Average gradient: 8.4 %. Maximum: 16.1 %.

https://roadsofstone.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/ditchling-beacon-climb-sussex-england-streetmap-co-uk1.jpg
Looking at the closeness of contour lines on the OS map... yup, thats pretty steep... but bends don't look too harsh, and seem to follow the contours.
So use the width of the road to your advantage, where you can; and dont be too scared to carry some speed. Don't belt it, but, you are more likely to tumble over-slowing and not carrying the momentum.
1 mile? I'd not be too concerned about the risks of brakes fading on me! But would be worth making sure everything is tip top maintained, fettled and adjusted before you set off.
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 20 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you mean Beacon road, that's NOT a very steep road. It only shows as a single black-arrow on an OS map which means it's no steeper than 1 in 5. That makes it fairly steep but nothing to worry about on a motorbike. A moped might struggle up it and a larger vehicle might need to use a crawler gear.

You will spend most of the way down stuck behind a slow moving car who is making an absolute meal of it, braking unecessarily and generally making hard work of it. This will continue until you get to the jack-knifed caravan at which point you'll be able to do a u-turn and find a different road while everyone else waits for a tow-truck to pull it back up.

Honestly, you wont even bother, just remember if you have to stop across the gradient, lean the bike UPHILL. Take a wide line through the corners. Keep your head up and look where you're going, not at where you want to avoid. Do not coast, stay in gear with the clutch out while you're riding. Once you have a bit more riding experience, that would make a great "ghost run". I'd see how many cars I could overtake with the bike in neutral and the engine off.

Once you've had enough of soft, shandy-drinking southern roads, visit the Lake District and try Hardknott pass which is single track and has three double black arrows on each side (so greater than 1 in 5). Or Yorkshires Chimney Bank in Rosedale Abbey. Once you've done that and survived. Take a trip up to Torridan and do the Bealach na Bar at Applecross which is no steeper but goes on for longer.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 20 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers All. Very Happy

plans have now changed though, makes the whole purpose of this trip much much easier Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 20 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditchling Beacon is an iconic bit of road around here, whilst it might not be 'that' steep, it has many twists and corners and doesn't get any decent sunlight...so be careful coming down this road on a frosty morning or when it's been raining.

I actually ride down Ditchling Beacon slower than I drive. Laughing

The poor buggers who do the London to Brighton cycle ride have this hill to ride up...jeez!!
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 20 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a really short stretch, just take it as slow as you need to and do it in a low gear. Hate riding downhill myself, much prefer uphill.

Make the most of the stretch just to the south of it, lovely!
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

Once you've had enough of soft, shandy-drinking southern roads, visit the Lake District and try Hardknott pass which is single track and has three double black arrows on each side (so greater than 1 in 5).


Wotcha.

Here we are, about a month before *the accident* - myself onboard the BSA B33 coming down the Hardknott / Wrynose Pass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaJLlmixiaI
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

theres loads of visibility there Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

Once you've had enough of soft, shandy-drinking southern roads, visit the Lake District and try Hardknott pass which is single track and has three double black arrows on each side (so greater than 1 in 5).


I did that pass on Saturday on my supermoto, it was epic Thumbs Up I would not like to do it a sportsbike, I bet there is lots of clutch slipping in 1st going on. I got to the end and an Audi came screeching down the hill, the brakes were fecked. 2 month old car Shocked

I would say keep it in a low gear, don't be afraid to stick you leg out if it makes you feel safer round tight bends. Watch out for dodgy surface, you don't want to be braking on gravel.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irn-Bru wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:

Once you've had enough of soft, shandy-drinking southern roads, visit the Lake District and try Hardknott pass which is single track and has three double black arrows on each side (so greater than 1 in 5).


I did that pass on Saturday on my supermoto, it was epic Thumbs Up I would not like to do it a sportsbike, I bet there is lots of clutch slipping in 1st going on. I got to the end and an Audi came screeching down the hill, the brakes were fecked. 2 month old car Shocked

I would say keep it in a low gear, don't be afraid to stick you leg out if it makes you feel safer round tight bends. Watch out for dodgy surface, you don't want to be braking on gravel.


I was there on Saturday as well. I think its 1 in 3 at some points. The hills were alive with the ThumpThumpThumpThump of the Enfield




https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/geoffhill/ED09FBFB-CB91-4F78-B5E8-48A63ADE8B03_zpsxqm3jja4.jpg
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 21 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MissTamsin wrote:
theres loads of visibility there Laughing


Yes and then again, no.

What's coming up in 1/4 mile is fine. The trouble is, it's so steep, you physically can't see the next bit of road because it's effectively over the "horizon". In the picture Northern Monkey posted above, there are three or four hairpins before you start to see the road again.

I saw someone going over there once riding a GT380 with a sidecar. None but the brave!
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 22 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lone-Wolf wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaJLlmixiaI


Was that a test-standard U-turn I just saw?
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 22 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must do Hardknott / Wrynose Pass some time
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