Sold bike and new owner got camera'd same day

[Marmaduke]

HALP
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I sold it at around 12/12.30, don't know the guys name only his mobile number and that he lived in Kent or Medway.
Bike hasn't been insured by me in over 6 months.

V5C was sent off a while ago and dated correctly, but has no time.

What's likely to happen? Only shit proof I've got is the text messages he's sent me. Don't really want to go to court.
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[Tamsin]

Did you not keep a copy of the filled out v5?

Best thing to do is to write, requesting further details and stating that you sold the bike at approx midday and have sent V5 details already.

[arry]

Portable camera = picture of rider in gear ?

Always take a copy of the v5 before sending

[Marmaduke]

Can't say I heard of keeping a copy of the V5.
Doesn't have the time I sold it anyway.

DVLA will surely let them know the new keepers name and address though.
As long as he admits it was him then that should be it...if not then



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[Quornholio]

I took a bike off a lad on here in px, but sold it on before I received V5. The lad I sold it on to got a parking ticket, which arrived at my doorstep.

Quick phone call explaining what has happened will sort it out, along with copy of the V5 and a waiver signed if I remember rightly. But in future, always keep a copy of the filled out V5 before you send it off.
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[P.]

Just return saying vehicle sold "x" date.

Evidently you haven't received DVLAs "you are no longer this keeper" etc.

[arry]

[gavbriggs]

It's always wise to copy stuff if at all possible, but not everyone can.

The interpretations act 1978 states that:

Where an Act authorises or requires any document to be served by post (whether the expression “serve” or the expression “give” or “send” or any other expression is used) then, unless the contrary intention appears, the service is deemed to be effected by properly addressing, pre-paying and posting a letter containing the document and, unless the contrary is proved, to have been effected at the time at which the letter would be delivered in the ordinary course of post.


Basically you sent off the documents, the new owner acquired the vehicle on the 10/4/14, that means they are liable for their actions.

You want to see evidence that you were the keeper of the vehicle on that date. This would mean their records being printed off and made available.

Write them a letter stating you was not the owner of the vehicle on the date in question. Ask them to check the dvla records once again and not just look at what their computer tells them. Tell them you do not know the name of the driver as you transferred ownership of the vehicle.

Keep a copy if your letter.

[i.p.phrealy]

this is why when I sell a vehicle I get them to sign a receipt with the date and time on it.
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[Quornholio]

All of this can be easily avoided in future by making a quick photocopy/scan of the V5.
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[stinkwheel]

I'd suggest you inform them, in writing, that you were neither the driver, owner or registered keeper at the time of the alleged offence. The V5 had been completed, signed and posted the same day, the keys to the vehicle were handed over to the new keeper before 12.30pm on that date. Explain you didn't keep a record of their name and address. Give them as many details as you can remember about the person you sold it to.

Keep a copy, get proof of posting and attach it to the copy.

Incidentally, it's section 172 of the road traffic act 1988 we're worried about. The offence would be failure to furnish information which is a nippy one (six pointer, three figure fine). It's paragraph 2 (b) we're concerned with here:

[Marmaduke]

Shall send it off with as much info as I can give and post back here with what happens.
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[The Disapproving Brit]

I'd also explicitly mention that as you have returned the v5, the DVLA details should be updated in due course with the correct information, and they will then be able to obtain the keepers details from DVLA as normal. Include the phone number and any other details you do have about the new keeper, and make sure you sign it.
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[j.silvs]

You have his mobile number.

Ring him.

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[Rogerborg]

As above, and don't sweat it. Even if the new owner tries to claim that they didn't buy it until later in the day, there will be reasonable doubt about who was riding at that time, which is all you need as a defence.

Do respond quickly though, and get that free proof of postage. There's no benefit to delaying on this one.
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[MattEMulsion]

If you haven't got a means of copying a document such as a V5, take a photo of it on your camera phone. A decent phone will take a surprisingly good picture of a document that you can transfer to a computer at a later date should you need to.
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[Pete.]

[stinkwheel]

[Pete.]

Aye there is that but it would be prudent to ask if they still own the bike first, perhaps by asking in a conversational way how they are getting on with it. If the buyer gets wind that there's a fine coming and his name was never on the V5 you'd get a short click followed by a long brrrrrrrrrrr.
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132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good

[bugeye_bob]

when ever I sell a bike or car I do 2 receipts with both time and date on so this is covered,
A pen and bit of paper is all thats required no high tech,


Any witnesses to him buying(cctv at home etc?) it or did you put the cash straight in the bank ?

[Marmaduke]

Was at my parents garage, my dad was there and could vouch that he drove off on it... but there's no solid proof either way!
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[Villers]

Whats the odds on the new keeper having set his unsurance to run from either 00:00 on the day stated or at 12:00 mid-day? Not exactly completely proof of culpability on the owners behalf butcertainly supplementary - given that you were not insured to ride the bike theres maybe a further letter waiting for you from plod if you are in any way 'fingered'.
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[covent.gardens]

57mph in a 50mph, scamera van? Fuckers.

All you can do is explain what happened, if you advertised it keep a copy of the ad, document everything now, write down all you can remember about what happened, times, dates, what he was wearing (should show on photos), ignore the useless after-the-fact comments about "you should have made a copy" because that is a) totally unrequired, b) subtly suggests you are at fault for this situation which you are NOT.

Where were you at 2.28pm on 10 April? Did you go to the shops? See anyone?