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 Posted: 08:22 - 21 Apr 2014 Post subject: UK is a Christian country |
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The thing is though... is it?
I my town churches are closing down and becoming restaurants and bars or museums. Hell one of my teaching venues in Manchester used to be a church. There are quite a few derelict churches around.
Everywhere I teach has a prayer room for the students the only people I ever see going into it are the Muslims. During the odd Ecumenical service again its all Muslims.
OTOH in Halifax, and many towns, I see mosques pop up everywhere. Like when I visited Turkey they have a wailing call to prayer over loud speakers in some places, Bradford is like this.
Fridays it is hard to park near mosques because so many people are attending. My classes are often missing many students because they go to pray, I loath teaching Fridays in many places as half the class will put their hands up and say they need to pray (college rules say I have to let them go).
Same with Jewish synagogues on certain days.
Schools in many of the Manchester satellite towns and Leeds satellite towns amongst the children not a white face amongst them, girls all wearing headscarf and veils presumably children who will grow to be Muslims/Hindus. ____________________ "It's easy to attack and destroy an act of creation. It's a lot more difficult to perform one" |
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This is my country and I count myself to be Christian
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This is my country and I do not count myself to be a Christian.
Many other people feel the same way.
As such, I do not feel it is in any way appropriate for people to be able to directly influence the executive running of my country based soley on their religion. Nor do I believe my tax money should be used to fund the furthering of religious ideologies and practices.
Religion is personal. If people want to build churches and fund religious schools and programs, the proponants of that religion shoud pay for it, not me. My tax money is used to pay for the schooling of other peoples children but it pisses me off no-end that it is used to fund religious indoctrination in faith schools. You want to indoctrinate your kids, pay for it yourself.
Much talk is made about reform to the house of Lords but you never hear the fact that being one of the 26 most senior bishops in the Church of England automatically entitles you to a seat.
Wrong and unrepresentative.
Christian religious observance even kills people. If you want to know how, just hope you aren't ever admitted to hospital with a life-threatening emergency on a Sunday. You are 7% more likely to die because it's a "day of rest". Even I know that kind of nonsense was supposed to have been put to bed 2000 years ago by Jesus himself.
As far as I am concerned, you are free to follow any religion you want. Just don't expect other people who are not of that religion to conform to it or pay for it. I await a rational argument for why I should. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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 Posted: 11:06 - 21 Apr 2014 Post subject: |
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Just because it's Easter, Call Me Dave has to start getting all preachy.
In all the festivities of Easter it's easy to get caught up in the merriment and forget the true meaning of the occasion.
A time of year we should be truly grateful for the efforts and sacrifices made by a remarkable man and should all be reminded that we now need to rally behind the cause and build on the great foundations built by the great man, so here's wishing you a very happy birthday Adolf. |
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 Posted: 11:29 - 21 Apr 2014 Post subject: |
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On the census a lot of people will mark themselves as Christian just because they were brought up in this 'Christian' country. So it gives the church an incorrectly high amount of political clout.
A worrying thing is that I think Christian interest is fading quite a lot, so the census may begin to show a more accurate low result in terms of Christian numbers, whereas Islam seems to be quite firmly in its stages of overall indoctrination and blind dogma, with people afraid to tell anyone else that it's utter bullshit, so maybe sometime soon the census will show more Muslim than Christian, just because a lot of Asian families may start ticking the box saying they're Muslim even if they're not at all, just because that's what all their neighbours do. Islam might get quite a strong political say.
Ok I'm just scaremongering, but you never know....
Really I think it's obvious that the governance of the country should be entirely secular. Religious choice should mean absolutely nothing on politics.
Think of it another way: A large enough percentage of the population shares a certain faith, so they suddenly have a greater impact on social issues. Well... also a large amount of people ride motorbikes! Surely we as a group should be afforded the same kind of rights? Oh but we aren't in the 'religion' category so 'meh'...
Just seen this on FB too:
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UKIP are the new Lib Dems... the alternative party to the Tories and Nu Liebore who make all sorts of promises that all go out the window when they don't get enough seats to have an overall majority.
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The correct response is "Whatevs, mate, it's all just sandwizard babble. Maybe you should grow up and stop pretending to believe in invisible sky giants." ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Every child has a right to education why is it wrong for the state to pay for a child's education, Stink? |
I didn't say I did object. I object to that funding, MY tax money, paying for religious groups to indoctrinate children. Universal, state-funded education is a fantastic thing BUT it should involve teaching ABOUT religion only. It should not involve the PRACTICE of religion, that is for elsewhere.
| Quote: | The reason the schools are better funded is because the churches top up funding. Many Christian families who want to 'indoctrinate' their kids can't because they are pushed out by the middle class non-believers who want to send their kids to a good school for free - now that is wrong. |
No it is not wrong because if the state is funding it, anyone gets to go. End-of. What you are suggesting there is that Christian families should be shown favouritism in a state funded educational institution.
If the church and parents pay for the school in its entirety, they get to decide who goes to it, who teaches in it and what is taught. If part of that is a daily religious ceremony, prayers before lessons/whatever, so be it. If the state pays for the school, religious observance should have no part in the teaching. Allowances should be made for it but it should be an entirely volountary, extra-curricular activity.
Could you imagine the hoo-harr if an employer insisted all his staff said prayers before starting work and attended church once a week? Why should we treat our kids any differently.
This is from someone who was made, at a bog standard state primary school in the late 80's/early 90's, to sit and eat his school meals at a table by himself because he refused to say grace. Someone who was also given detention for point blank refusing to attend his state secondary school Christmas and Easter services in the mid 90's.
Is THAT right? ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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The UK traditionally was a Christian country, originally Catholic until Henry VIII wanted a divorce and the Church said no. Thus the Church of England was born.
I think thats right, I never used to pay much attention in History class unless it was when we covered WW2.
Nowadays most people still seem to identify as "CofE" on things like forms, census etc, yet were not brought up as such, have no interest at all in stepping in a church, and probably wouldn't know where their nearest church (of correct denomination) is.
Whilst there are fewer Catholics than CofE, the % of those who identify as Catholic and actually are practising Catholics is much higher than for CofE, people tend to be brought up Catholic and identify as such whether they remain practicing or not.
But people don't tend to identify as Catholic unless they were brought up as such, unlike CofE.
Side note... Sunday Trading laws state for Easter Sunday any place of trade over 3,000 sq ft MUST close for the day. I'd like to see it enforced for any place of trade, covering all petrol stations, pubs/restaurants, shops of any kind, takeaways etc. ____________________ Current Bike: 1999 Honda CB600 FX Hornet
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| LlamaFarmer wrote: | The UK traditionally was a Christian country, originally... |
No, originally, the UK worshipped Zogblaz the Rainmaker and Boogoo-Boogoo-Bog the Windy. Fire burn!
Things change though, and I think it's high time the current lot of frocked spell-parasites sodded off and did some real work in the temporal world, because their zombie cannibal cult is every bit as ridiculous as any other boggarts and nixies twaddle. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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| Tristan. wrote: | | LlamaFarmer wrote: | Side note... Sunday Trading laws state for Easter Sunday any place of trade over 3,000 sq ft MUST close for the day. I'd like to see it enforced for any place of trade, covering all petrol stations, pubs/restaurants, shops of any kind, takeaways etc. |
Are you fucking joking? why on earth would you want that? |
Cos it'd have got me the day off work in the past instead of being forced to work it. Still got friends who are pretty much forced to work Easter Sunday because they work minimum wage jobs in places that are smaller than 3,000 sq ft.
The exception is a friend who works in a hotel, who still gets minimum wage and has to work because the managers all take Easter weekend off and leave it to skeleton management and an on-call duty manager.
If you work in a bookies, you can refuse to work Sunday. Just because. And the law says you can and can't be punished for it.
Yet you can't refuse to work Easter Sunday on religious grounds in any other job and automatically be protected from punishment.
| Rogerborg wrote: | | LlamaFarmer wrote: | The UK traditionally was a Christian country, originally... |
No, originally, the UK worshipped Zogblaz the Rainmaker and Boogoo-Boogoo-Bog the Windy. Fire burn!
Things change though, and I think it's high time the current lot of frocked spell-parasites sodded off and did some real work in the temporal world, because their zombie cannibal cult is every bit as ridiculous as any other boggarts and nixies twaddle. |
I meant "modern" UK, in the last hundreds of years, not thousands of millennia ago. The UK as we know it, in terms of rules and cultures and what not was built on a Christian religion, when it suited. ____________________ Current Bike: 1999 Honda CB600 FX Hornet
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 12 years, 207 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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