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PostPosted: 12:49 - 22 Apr 2014    Post subject: Anti-immigration radicals shut up by Native Americans Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 22 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 22 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Brave guy but there's always more than one side to any story

https://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/hive/Kenn-Man/Kennewic.htm
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PostPosted: 07:01 - 23 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
stickybackbob wrote:
Brave guy but there's always more than one side to any story

https://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/hive/Kenn-Man/Kennewic.htm


But that's not one of the sides... Kennewick man was most likely Polynesian or of an ancestor race that no longer exists. He most certainly was not white european as the author of that page is trying to suggest.
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PostPosted: 07:32 - 23 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
daemonoid wrote:
stickybackbob wrote:
Brave guy but there's always more than one side to any story
https://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/hive/Kenn-Man/Kennewic.htm

But that's not one of the sides... Kennewick man was most likely Polynesian or of an ancestor race that no longer exists. He most certainly was not white european as the author of that page is trying to suggest.

Did you even read the article? Patrick Stewart isn't Polynesian! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 23 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
daemonoid wrote:


But that's not one of the sides... Kennewick man was most likely Polynesian or of an ancestor race that no longer exists. He most certainly was not white european as the author of that page is trying to suggest.


Without watching the original video again, I recall that the Native American was ranting about his people being the only natives of the land. From this you could assume that the anti-immigration demonstrators were claiming to be 'native' and that the guy had taken (understandable) offence at this. However, another side of the story is that evidence of races (be them European, Asian or a.n.other) other than Native Americans has been found thus negating his argument that his people were the only natives of the land.

Could be my interpretation (which is often wrong) but I didn't get the impression that the author of the Kennewick Man article was trying to claim European descent. Seemed to me the evidence put forward was for Mongolian, Polynesian or Asian descendants being present on that continent before Native Americans.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 23 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
stickybackbob wrote:
be them European, Asian or a.n.other


That would make them not native by definition, no?
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 23 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
stickybackbob wrote:
Without watching the original video again, I recall that the Native American was ranting about his people being the only natives of the land. From this you could assume that the anti-immigration demonstrators were claiming to be 'native' and that the guy had taken (understandable) offence at this. However, another side of the story is that evidence of races (be them European, Asian or a.n.other) other than Native Americans has been found thus negating his argument that his people were the only natives of the land.

Could be my interpretation (which is often wrong) but I didn't get the impression that the author of the Kennewick Man article was trying to claim European descent. Seemed to me the evidence put forward was for Mongolian, Polynesian or Asian descendants being present on that continent before Native Americans.


The author of that article was certainly suggesting european descent "spitting image of Patrick Stewart", "caucasoid features" and neatly forgetting to mention that the eventual outcome after testing was completed was to declare Kennewick Man closely related to Polynesian. Considering we all migrated from Africa (as best the evidence can be interpreted) it's an absolute impossibility that Native Americans popped into existence on the continent*. You can say they've been there the longest and the only race to colonise in any serious way before the Europeans turned up.

Being there longest is about the only claim anyone has to being native anywhere... He was ranting against a group of 'recent' migrants that were ranting about more recent migrants.

I quite agree that no one should be immediately classed as native and therefore we should all have freedom of movement wherever we like, but I don't think that's what you were suggesting...




*maybe you could, based on the fact that they developed NA race from an ancestor whilst on the continent?
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 23 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
I would say that it is possible that a race could've popped into existence on the American continent....but we do not appear to have any evidence to prove that. Somehow humans emerged from Africa so why couldn't the same happen in America?

However, I agree with your point that the world was once unpopulated and those that got there first can claim to be natives. This is the point I was trying (failing) to make. The NA guy shows some courage to stand up to a group (or was it for the camera?) but his rants about being true native could be classed as racist as there is evidence (although minimal it would seem) that there were other races there before NA's making their claim invalid. That being said, the NA's and their genetic traits came from somewhere and, as you state, the majority of evidence states that NA's were the first to effectively colonise the land.
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