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phatstorage
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Some moron on the road tonight......... Reply with quote

Exits the 2 lane roundabout onto a 2 lane dual carriageway in the outside lane, then proceeds to travel in the outside lane for just under a mile at 36 in a 40, The inside lane is totally empty, I sit behind her with my badly adjusted HID Laughing hoping she'd move into the inside lane, no chance.

At the traffic lights she moves into the right filter lane without indicating, I'm going straight on so I draw level with the idiot, we both stop and I give the pair in the car a shake of my head in disapproval, the car then sounds it's horn (this is after midnight by the way), I look at the two punks in the car, the window's down and the ignorant ones are ready to communicate.

I jump in with "why were you in the outside lane?", the answer was "your light is so bright.....blah.....blah" not interested,
I asked the same question, to be met with silence, shortly followed by "your light was too bright" my retort of "so move over, then I can pass you" fell on deaf ears.

The passenger, trying to defend the driver in some way knowingly asks what the speed limit was, I said "40, and you were doing 36 in the outside lane" Wink , the lights changed and I went on my way.

And the reason why I didn't overtake on the inside and neither did anyone else, it was a metropolitan police patrol car.

I counted 3 offences in 1 minute, one of which is points/fine now I think.

I thought cops where supposed to set an example Rolling Eyes

Sorry if this sounds anal, I know we all make mistakes, but defending your actions when they are blatantly wrong is what really pisses me off, can't be dealing with ignorance like that I'm afraid.

Wish I had my drift on me.

Rant done.
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PostPosted: 00:46 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure you can report the incident somehow? Although I doubt it would amount to much.
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PostPosted: 06:11 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you actually have a badly fitted HID? Not sure if your joking about it with the smiley.

If you do, I have been left in positions before when some cunt with a super bright HID has left my mirrors useless, and of the opinion changing lanes would be dangerous as I was unable too see if something was coming along at speed in the lane next too / behind me.

Copper may have been a cunt, but anyone with a badly fitted HID should be shot.
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PostPosted: 06:36 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Re: Some moron on the road tonight......... Reply with quote

Mk1GSF wrote:
phatstorage wrote:

And the reason why I didn't overtake on the inside and neither did anyone else, it was a metropolitan police patrol car.


Why does that stop you? Overtaking on the inside isn't an offence on its own.


This, I was told by a mate in the police that if the overtaking lane is blocked but the left is free you are perfectly entitled to use that so long as you don't exceed the speed limit.
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PostPosted: 07:26 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can use whatever lane you want to "overtake" although getting pulled by Mr 5-0 for doing so was lulzy.
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PostPosted: 07:28 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few months ago, I was riding behind a police van for a couple of miles. Did he use his indicators once at any junction, or even on a roundabout? Did he hell as like. It did annoy me to the point, that I considered pulling up along side and having a word. Then I figured that the only possible outcome of doing such a thing, would be for it to bring some unwanted attention and hassle to myself. So I let it be and carried on.
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PostPosted: 07:29 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The HID was fitted by an alarm fitter at the same time as fitting an alarm and other bits, I rode it home in the daytime and only last night on my way back from work did I notice the massive misalignment, totally agree about the being a cunt part but it was either fiddle around in park lane adjusting it when I don't know where the screw is or just get it home and sort it out today.

The copper had all the opportunity she needed to move into the inside
lane, as I said before she exited the roundabout in the outside lane, so her intentions of staying out seemed quite clear, I moved into the inside lane at first giving plenty of time and room, so any reason for not being able to see to change lanes was also taken care of early on, after a while I became bored and decided to bully her with my shit light Laughing


I know it's not an offence to "undertake" if safe to do so, knowing how misinformed cops can be and at that time of night, looking for any excuse because they're bored, I decided to not give them any reason to try and pull me, though in hind sight, the bullying of the high beam would have been a good enough reason, I'd liked for them to pull me though, then we can have a chat on how many highway codes I broke verses how many she broke.
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PostPosted: 07:55 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

An overly bright and poorly adjusted headlight makes it hard to determine the vector of the vehicle, especially on a bike. So it can be hard to judge if you can safely manoeuvre around such a vehicle because you don't really know what they're doing.
Seems like you were lucky they didn't just do you for that then and there.
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PostPosted: 07:57 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Par for the course, I live near a police training college and treat copmobiles with the same caution as white vans and Micras.
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PostPosted: 08:50 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

phatstorage wrote:
The HID was fitted by an alarm fitter...only last night on my way back from work did I notice the massive misalignment...I became bored and decided to bully her with my shit light Laughing

I know it's not an offence to "undertake" if safe to do so...

Dazzling driver with light is an offence. As in
Highway Code #114 wrote:
You MUST NOT...use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders...Law RVLR reg 27
Although iirc it's just a fixed penalty fine, no licence points (unless they've changed the rules). Sounding the horn at night is also fixed penalty £50 fine (no points).

I'm also of the view that with a jobsworth copper an 'undertaking' manoeuvre, although not an offence in itself, may get you a careless driving penalty and points.

The highway code, rule 137, indicates staying in the right hand lane on dual carriageway isn't an offence (no MUST and law quoted).
Highway Code #137 wrote:
On a two-lane dual carriageway you should stay in the left-hand lane. Use the right-hand lane for overtaking or turning right. After overtaking, move back to the left-hand lane when it is safe to do so.


However, I recall recent publicity about fines for people which stay in the middle lane on a motorway. There is this government press release that states middle land hoggers will be charged with careless driving, fixed penalty £100 and 3 points. There is this BBC report about the new offences.

Dave70 wrote:
...behind a police van for a couple of miles. Did he use his indicators once at any junction, or even on a roundabout? Did he hell as like. ...

Not using indicators is not an offence in itself.
However, not doing so would fail your driving test.
So from that perspective I'd say the careless driving as above is a possible offence.
Given that, as said, really the police should set an example and should be instructed to a higher standard then it's really inexcusable.
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Re: Some moron on the road tonight......... Reply with quote

phatstorage wrote:
I sit behind her with my badly adjusted HID Laughing hoping she'd move into the inside lane, no chance.


Stupid child. Be glad they didn't put a prohibition notice on your vehicle.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Retrofitting HID bulbs revokes the e-mark of the headlight, so technically it's illegal to use on the road in the EU - I'd have overtaken on the inside personally.
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbourner wrote:
Retrofitting HID bulbs revokes the e-mark of the headlight, so technically it's illegal to use on the road in the EU...

FWIW OP doesn't make clear if just HID lamp or complete replacement unit though. With HID lamp you must also use the correct reflector designed for it. Just putting HID lamp into original fitting then the reflector is wrong and produces incorrect light dispersal. As said it also breaks EU rules. A complete HID unit would be ok if installed correctly.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe a stupid Q, but what is undertaking? Simply passing on the left?

Dual carriage way, I'm in left-hand lane doing 70, plonker in right-hand-lane doing 55. If I continue on my way am I undertaking?

Doesn't the highway code say move left to allow traffic to make progress? Were they committing an offence?

EDIT: https://www.gov.uk/motorways-253-to-273/lane-discipline-264-to-266

Does same apply to a 2-lane A road?

EDIT: https://www.gov.uk/general-rules-all-drivers-riders-103-to-158/multilane-carriageways-133-to-143

Rule 137.
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought HIDs are illegal on any motor vehicles unless fitted with an auto levelling system, so if you are driving up a hill for example they will dip lower so as not to burn the retinas of oncoming drivers.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christoffee wrote:

Read my post above.
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
Christoffee wrote:

Read my post above.


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PostPosted: 15:43 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
I thought HIDs are illegal on any motor vehicles unless fitted with an auto levelling system, so if you are driving up a hill for example they will dip lower so as not to burn the retinas of oncoming drivers.


Nope. Auto levelling systems have to work if fitted during an MOT, but if not fitted, no problem.
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 25 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ITT. Much confusion over which is the inside lane and which is the outside lane.

The clue is in the name, the outside lane is on the outside.
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 26 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
ITT. Much confusion over which is the inside lane and which is the outside lane.

The clue is in the name, the outside lane is on the outside.


Same name has opposite meanings in the US system.

Uk: outer lane, outside lane, overtaking lane, fast lane, lane furthest from the pavement/verge*

Us: outside lane, slow lane, lane furthest from median/centre of (two way) road

* except perhaps on a roundabout, where some consider the outside lane to be the left one (outside of the circle)
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 26 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phuck 'em!
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PostPosted: 00:40 - 26 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

syl wrote:

Same name has opposite meanings in the US system.

Uk: outer lane, outside lane, overtaking lane, fast lane, lane furthest from the pavement/verge*

Us: outside lane, slow lane, lane furthest from centre of (two way road)

* except on a roundabout, where the outside lane really is on the outside


Has that always been the case? Or have people just started getting the terms "offside" and "outside" confused?

Because if I'm approaching a corner from the outside, I'm next to the verge.

What is this silliness. I demand something be done about it!
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PostPosted: 01:09 - 26 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eddie Hitler wrote:
I'm sure you can report the incident somehow? Although I doubt it would amount to much.



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PostPosted: 07:44 - 26 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

No idea if it was the case in this incident - but i've had occasions were various vehicles with badly adjusted/overly powerful HID lights have literally blinded my entire rear visibility.

Quite possible the driver was blinded everytime they attempted to check in their mirrors or look behind and determine if it was clear to move across to the left lane.

Fair enough you were taking it home to adjust it if you didn't know how, but could very well be the reason they didn't shift out the way. I'd much rather be on the road with someone blocking a lane than someone blinding everything in front and oncoming Wink

Personally I hate HID's and think they're generally dangerous - theres various 'bright/white' bulbs that make a bit of a difference to the brightness of your lights without turning vehicles into a lighthouse Razz
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