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PostPosted: 08:40 - 28 Apr 2014    Post subject: Security when touring Reply with quote

I'm lax on security when commuting from home to work, because if the worse happens, I'm a tube ride from home. (And I make it a life rule never to own anything I would be gutted about losing...) I do use a heavy Almax chain connected to a thick sewer pipe while parked overnight at home. At work, I just lock the steering, and the bike has an immobilizer.

However, I'm going off to Scotland for 10 days, starting on Thursday. If the bike gets stolen, it's a bit more problematic since I'm not a tube ride from home (I'd guess I'd rent a car or something...), so I'm considering my options.

The Almax is way too heavy to bring with me and would only be worth all that weight if there were something to connect it to, which is not at all guaranteed at the various bed & breakfast places we'll be staying. I'm considering a disc lock, but don't want the uncertainty of an alarmed one (discovering that butterfly wings set it off). I'm also wondering if such a lock would be as useless as my Almax if you can just pick up the bike?

Should I worry? I didn't bring any extra security during last year's tour (and I had the same non-thief-magnet bike), but that was entirely out in the boonies in Yorkshire and the Lake District. This trip involves some overnight stays in York and Edinburgh. Can anyone recommend me something that I can get via Amazon or something before Thursday?
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 28 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd take a 10 or 11mm x 1.5m chain. Sure you can cut through it with bolt croppers, but it means an opertunist walking about cant pick it up and do a runner
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 28 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems you're more worried about how to get home than actual theft. Scotland does have public transport so I really wouldn't worry.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 28 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Northern Monkey wrote:
I'd take a 10 or 11mm x 1.5m chain. Sure you can cut through it with bolt croppers, but it means an opertunist walking about cant pick it up and do a runner


I was considering picking up an Oxford chain/lock set. But wouldn't an easily cropped chain be about as effective as the steering lock? If the thief is that much of a mouth breather, they aren't going to get passed the immobilizer either. (Although they will probably try to "hot wire" it like on TV, then throw it into a ditch and burn it.)

The reason I'm not bringing my current chain (1.5 meter almax series 3) is that it weighs 6.5KG all by itself. Add another 2-3KG for the lock and that's the weight limit of the top box done for. The panniers and the tank-like storage that the NC has only take 5KG. I've had a rack crack on me, so I do take the weight limits seriously.
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 28 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A simple disc lock will deter the casual "grab it and run down the high street" thief.

I generally don't bother with anything more when touring, as the nature of it means by the time someone has clocked the bike and organised cutters, a van to load it into and someone to help load it, you'll be on your way and not returning.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 28 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
It seems you're more worried about how to get home than actual theft. Scotland does have public transport so I really wouldn't worry.


Yes, I know it sounds very daft to most people, but I grew up in New York City in the 1970s and 80s (when we had proper crime) and I've managed my life very effectively by doing "sensible" things (locking my door, etc.) but never owning anything I can't lose.

What I'm really after here is what's the "sensible" thing to do when touring and stopping at several hotels/motels/b&bs along the way. I was thinking something more visible might be better and am looking for suggestions.

I'm not worried about getting home, really, but it would be a bit of a bummer to have to cut a 25th wedding anniversary trip short for something as silly as a bored chav.
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 28 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think I'd put a cheaper, lighter chain and lock on it, maybe a small disc lock too. And you can get some cheap, very lightweight bike covers that pack down pretty small too, helps as a deterrent a bit, as they won't know what bike it is if they're just passing by.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 28 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Monkeypony on this one. Chances are so slim that I wouldn't bother. Too many planets need to align.

Last time I was travelling I watched the group of various 600s spend literally 10 minutes locking, covering and generally faffing around securing their bikes in the CCTV-covered parking space right outside the 24/7 manned reception. Life is too short for all that on your holidays.
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 28 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my limited amout of tours and trips I have taken , I have only ever used the steering lock and a disc lock.
Luckily I have never had a bike stolen that has been locked with the steering and a disc lock.

Disc locks take seconds to put on and the steering lock is part of the ignition lock.


I think that if the baddies want your bike, they WILL get it Sad
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 28 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd suggest a bright yellow disk lock in partnership with a 5mm flashing blue LED on a 1.5v pencil battery. Who would know its not alarmed until they try steal it.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 28 Apr 2014    Post subject: Bike lock Reply with quote

I just take a disk lock, I've never really had or heard of any of mates having any problems especially if you are staying in more rural areas. When I.ve toured in France again when visiting smaller towns and villages it's not un common to see bikes parked up complete with camping gear and riding kit left unsecured.
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 28 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last week i popped into halfords and noticed they had the Squire ML2L Disk Locks on sale for a tenner, down from.. £25ish? So i bought another

I bought one a few years back for around £40 and its been the best lock i've had. Its one of the highest security ratings on their scale of 1 to 16, its 15 (probably means shite all..)

But the U-bar piece looks around 15mm thick (has thick rubber over it), which is pretty hard to crop, and can be placed in a difficult space on the rear disk where it would be hard to get a cutter at it.

Double locks on both sides of the U bar and has a nice meaty reassuring key that doubles up as a nice knuckle weapon in a back street brawl.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 28 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're going with another biker, lock the bikes together with a fairly short chain. each bike becomes a ground anchor for the other. Disc locks on the front and that's pretty much it.

I do quite like the look of the griplock. Again, not going to stop your bike being lifted, but visible security that doesn't involve brake dust on your hands (and maybe not commonly seen enough for average gits to know how to get it off).
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

We already have been with our bikes on tours in Austria,Slovakia, Poland, Hungary and in France for example. We parked normally nearby the accomodation, sometimes on normal public parking areas or on monitored or locked parking spaces.
For my own bike I only got and used a steering lock, nothing more - until now Thinking
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
I'm with Monkeypony on this one. Chances are so slim that I wouldn't bother. Too many planets need to align.


Agree with above:

I guess that esullivan is not planning to visit every dodgy shithole in Scotland, like anywhere else you get the sense of the security of local surroundings.

Touring around and parking up in the "usual" touristy places, I would at most put the steering lock and disk lock on.

If I was feeling really careful I would carry a couple of padlocks and fit them through the disks back and front when parking up for the night.

I know that 'one can never be too careful', stay on the tourist routes and usual places of interest and don't overly concern yourself, I would not leave strapped luggage unattended, common sense stuff.

Hope you enjoy your tour.
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the end, I've gone with the griplock. It's super easy to put on, impossible to forget and ride away, and it's a *visual* signal for the passerby/opportunist. The immobiliser on the Honda's apparently is good, as is the steering lock (better than on a 125cc anyway), but the griplock is something that you can see from a distance. It'll be useful on my commute to London, too, so probably worth a try.
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imaging thinking we will nick your bike. Come round my area I will nick your lock ya cheeky git Laughing

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PostPosted: 23:13 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet you're more likely to loose your ignition key than have your bike stolen if you leave it in the ignition where it's easy to find.
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I bet you're more likely to loose your ignition key than have your bike stolen if you leave it in the ignition where it's easy to find.


I wont put that to the test in Edinburgh or Glasgow but I know what you mean. Where I stay I tend not to lock the car and the bike has a chain through habit more than anything else. My last house we did not bother locking the door if nipping away for a hour or less. It was like being a kid again when everyone trusted there neighbours and strangers were welcome. Now its WTF is that? what is quite sad but sign of the times I suppose.
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

defblade wrote:

I do quite like the look of the griplock. Again, not going to stop your bike being lifted, but visible security that doesn't involve brake dust on your hands (and maybe not commonly seen enough for average gits to know how to get it off).


I'm slightly concerned that the grip-lock doesn't require the key to lock it. I guarantee that I'd remember leaving the key on the side in the garage just as I snapped the lock shut.. 100 miles from home.
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been through France, Holland, Germany, Italy, Switzerland and Scotland without extra security.
I consider it worthless unless it is super heavy duty and the bike can be chained to something ''solid''.
I am careful where the bike is parked over night though Wink
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

esullivan wrote:
In the end, I've gone with the griplock. .


Wotcha.

I've had a Griplock for quite a while now - works well and is easy to carry about.
The key to the Griplock is on my house keys, not on the bike keys, so there's less chance of locking the bike up then realising you ain't got the key to unlock it.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 13 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moo. wrote:
Last week i popped into halfords and noticed they had the Squire ML2L Disk Locks on sale for a tenner, down from.. £25ish? So i bought another

I bought one a few years back for around £40 and its been the best lock i've had. Its one of the highest security ratings on their scale of 1 to 16, its 15 (probably means shite all..)

But the U-bar piece looks around 15mm thick (has thick rubber over it), which is pretty hard to crop, and can be placed in a difficult space on the rear disk where it would be hard to get a cutter at it.

Double locks on both sides of the U bar and has a nice meaty reassuring key that doubles up as a nice knuckle weapon in a back street brawl.


Bought one of these for a tenner at Halfords thanks to this post. Timing was perfect too as I'm riding to Barcelona tomorrow! Thanks!!

+1 to the quality feel of it
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 11 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’d go with a chain lock. By the way, could you be overly concerned.?
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 11 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
...Scotland does have public transport so I really wouldn't worry.

Once I waited for the best part of 8 hours for the one bus to take me from Braemar to Blair Atholl. Thank god it wasn't a Sunday (irony intended), no buses.
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