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PostPosted: 10:14 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: LLoyds offers Islam account with no overdraft fee. Reply with quote

Sharia law says you aren't allowed to pay or charge interest. So people with an Islam account don't pay anything for going overdrawn.

They don't get any interest on savings either, but let's face, the vast majority of people in this country are more likely to lose money from overdraft fees than they are to gain money from savings interest.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lloyds-bank-removes-overdraft-fee-from-islamic-accounts-9291932.html
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

IIRC the Muslim law thingy is you can't make money from money. So you could get an interest free loan to set up a business to make money to pay back the loan.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

TBH most of them are just playing with semantics.

Where you pay rent instead of interest.

Though TBH I think not allowing usury is actually a good thing.

With 1000% + loans in the UK this is a bad thing, even in Uber capitalist HK the maximum amount on loans is 65% APR.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Re: LLoyds offers Islam account with no overdraft fee. Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Sharia law says you aren't allowed to pay or charge interest. So people with an Islam account don't pay anything for going overdrawn.

They don't get any interest on savings either, but let's face, the vast majority of people in this country are more likely to lose money from overdraft fees than they are to gain money from savings interest.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lloyds-bank-removes-overdraft-fee-from-islamic-accounts-9291932.html


It really is just playing with semantics. In fact, their own literature says 'We will not usually agree to provide an Unplanned Overdraft on our Islamic Accounts' I guess that with this £6 fee removal it will soon be changed to 'We will not agree to provide an Unplanned Overdraft on our Islamic Accounts'.

There will probably be an increase in the returned item fees (£10) to cover this change of policy.

Another woe is me, look what 'they' get stories without really looking into it... the reality of such an account is that it's much less flexible and much more expensive.

I looked into Islamic mortgages when I got mine because of the headline grabbing 'no interest'. The reality was a cunning play on words where the bank owned the percentage of the property you hadn't paid back and would charge rent at a defined rate. So, no interest, but rental payments that were much higher than a standard mortgage.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are very, VERY racismist to question any special and alternative treatments for ethnic and religious majorities like non-whites and muslims.

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PostPosted: 18:51 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a Lloyd's account and I don't get charged interest on an agreed overdraft.

I'm not a Muslim or any other type of religious fantasist for that matter.
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a religious fantastic and don't pay any interest on a rather large balance. In fact, I don't pay them anything towards that balance.

Explain to your bank that you're a member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
I'm a religious fantastic and don't pay any interest on a rather large balance. In fact, I don't pay them anything towards that balance.

Explain to your bank that you're a member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Thumbs Up


What will his noodliness make of this?

(As you would expect, the thickos on FB are having a field day with this and Subway Rolling Eyes)
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's cool with it. He's cool with pretty much everything if you eat pasta and talk like a pirate. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
He's cool with it. He's cool with pretty much everything if you eat pasta and talk like a pirate. Mr. Green


Lad.

I wonder what the government have announced that all this muslim talk is a cover for?

I'll just adjust my tin foil hat.
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Re: LLoyds offers Islam account with no overdraft fee. Reply with quote

You don't have to be muslim to have one of these accounts, so even though it's called an Islamic account it's not for muslims only. Anyone is welcome to open one of these accounts and have the same benefits Thumbs Up

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However, a spokesman told The Telegraph that anyone can open an Islamic account, regardless of whether they are a Muslim or not.
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no real Muslim hatred related to this. I guess in the end it's just a private company cashing in on the desires of a large group of people. Can't fault anyone for that. Although it does show that Islam is beginning to at least have some strength in this country, when a major bank is beginning to tailor its products specially for them. I don't care about 'loss of culture' or any of those other general worries that some people have, but I do wish religion would be kept out of anything like this, mainly because I wish religion were gone altogether, but that's a different issue really.
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 30 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

im not saying anything about islamic accounts, I just asked Subway on facebook if they were thinking of starting up non beef franchises for Hindus and they booted me off their page! some folk are so touchy!
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

scorps wrote:
im not saying anything about islamic accounts, I just asked Subway on facebook if they were thinking of starting up non beef franchises for Hindus and they booted me off their page! some folk are so touchy!


Laughing

Shocker. It's a policy made by an idiot, and we all know idiots hate having their logic questioned.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 15 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people think that prejudice or the shadowy "PC brigade" can win out over free market capitalism.

It's about money. I don't get the outrage. Want subway to stock bacon? Get your bacon munching friends to buy more subway sandwiches instead of raging about Musllamics on FB.
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 15 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mario_Kempes wrote:
Some people think that prejudice or the shadowy "PC brigade" can win out over free market capitalism.

It's about money. I don't get the outrage. Want subway to stock bacon? Get your bacon munching friends to buy more subway sandwiches instead of raging about Musllamics on FB.


So if someone opens a sandwich bar with a no blacks sign, you will respect free market capitalism right? Wink
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 16 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reality is that the bank will not lose out at all.

According to Halifax online, a £10,000 loan over 5 years will cost you £187.01, a total of £11,594.62 at 5.9% interest.

An Islamic account would mean you got the loan for 'free' but had to pay a 'charge' of roughly £1,594.62.

Overdraft fees:
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In some instances, where we do agree to cover
that payment by giving you an Unplanned Overdraft you will pay a monthly management fee for us
providing and managing this (but you will not be charged interest). This monthly management fee will be
£6 and will apply if you use an Unplanned Overdraft at any time during a monthly billing period.


From https://www.tsb.co.uk/media/tsb/pdfs/banking_charges_brochure.pdf

(Lloyds site isn't working for some reason - I daresay TSB haven't changed policy yet from the split)
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PostPosted: 08:50 - 16 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 08:56 - 16 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:58 - 16 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

These are the kind of things that are turning people against muslims. Why even call it an Islam Account?

It seems we have been duped and lied to over the years. We were told we must accept a multicultural society...dont segregate...all be as one and all that...but then as the years have gone by it would seem muslims DONT actually want to Integrate. They want their own laws and courts...they want to have special privelages based around a fantasy book they believe in and they want to live in their own communities without western influence.

Im no racist...but I can certainly see why some people in this country would start to get pissed off at constantly giving in to this religion to the detriment of our own people and laws.
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 16 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

hachi8 wrote:
These are the kind of things that are turning people against muslims. Why even call it an Islam Account?

It seems we have been duped and lied to over the years. We were told we must accept a multicultural society...dont segregate...all be as one and all that...but then as the years have gone by it would seem muslims DONT actually want to Integrate. They want their own laws and courts...they want to have special privelages based around a fantasy book they believe in and they want to live in their own communities without western influence.

Im no racist...but I can certainly see why some people in this country would start to get pissed off at constantly giving in to this religion to the detriment of our own people and laws.


I guess you haven't read any post before jumping to abusing people based on religion?

Since they pay more for the account than everybody else does? Go say you're a Muslim and get an account, but have fun paying more for it Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 16 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

hachi8 wrote:
These are the kind of things that are turning people against muslims. Why even call it an Islam Account?

It seems we have been duped and lied to over the years. We were told we must accept a multicultural society...dont segregate...all be as one and all that...but then as the years have gone by it would seem muslims DONT actually want to Integrate. They want their own laws and courts...they want to have special privelages based around a fantasy book they believe in and they want to live in their own communities without western influence.

Im no racist...but I can certainly see why some people in this country would start to get pissed off at constantly giving in to this religion to the detriment of our own people and laws.


What have we given into them with? Because they have been allowed to open a handful of civil courts, based around marriage disputes and things? They have no legal power, they are only recognised by themselves.

Businesses use halal meat, so what? It was an animal then it got killed now we eat it.

Do you know any muslims? All the muslims I know and work with are really nice people who just believe in a fella in the sky.
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 16 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

hachi8 wrote:
Im no racist...but I can certainly see why some people in this country would start to get pissed off at constantly giving in to this religion to the detriment of our own people and laws.


Where is the detriment? As has been posted repeatedly in thiws thread, it's simply a game of semantics. Islamic accounts/mortgages tend to cost more in real terms or be massively restricted.

'You're no racist'... but you certainly fall into the same traps of headline grabbing sentiment that doesn't match the reality of the situation.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 16 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Businesses use halal meat, so what? It was an animal then it got killed now we eat it.

There's killed and there's killed.

Electric shock or bolt gun to the brain is one thing.

Being pointed at Mordor and having the throat and windpipe cut, leaving the spinal cord carefully intact so that it feels every drop of blood gushing out, while a wizard warbles spells, that's another.

Me and my wallet would choose the former option, given clear labelling.
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 16 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
snoosnoo wrote:
Businesses use halal meat, so what? It was an animal then it got killed now we eat it.

There's killed and there's killed.

Electric shock or bolt gun to the brain is one thing.

Being pointed at Mordor and having the throat and windpipe cut, leaving the spinal cord carefully intact so that it feels every drop of blood gushing out, while a wizard warbles spells, that's another.

Me and my wallet would choose the former option, given clear labelling.


I am sure there was a study that shown that animals slaughtered by the halal method causes brain function to stop before western stun methods.

I will have to find source
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