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PostPosted: 22:03 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Re: And My "Wonker Of The Week Award Goes To.......... Reply with quote

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I'm guessing that he uses the word regularly to try and claim some sort of "I don't care" kudos that he never got as a child.

The "slope" incident was bad enough, now this. Clarkson's just not funny when he stoops this low. I thought I understood his "naughty boy sniggering in the back of the class when teacher isn't looking" shtick but why even bother with this sort of crude racism? What does it achieve for him - does he really need more money, fame or notoriety?

It worries me that maybe he does it because he feels that there is support out there in the audience for this sort of name-calling.

(Surprised and slightly concerned to find myself agreeing with Vincent! Wink )
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh FFS get a life

the "Political correctness" BS is really doing my head in
its Ok for blacks to call them self Nigga but not Ok for anyone thats not black to mumble the word
trying to bring a bit of humor to to the TV

go watch Chris Rock or even Richard Prior, every other word (not mumbled) is Nigga

yes it is derogatory when used in context but in this case its something we ALL heard as kids if your my age

Bring back Gollywog's as a small child I had one in my cot every night
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really do detest all this PC 'you can't use that word because it offends me' bollocks.
So what if anyone's offended, nothing actually happens ffs. Rolling Eyes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 01 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

best one I ever seen was in an "Indian" takeaway one night in London
some guy with a few too many sherry's got into an argument over his order
told the guy "You don't understand the queens English thats not what I ordered why don't you go back to India"
the reply was class "How dare you call me an Indian, Im a effing Paki"

I just lol'd out loud the guy turned to me and said WTF are you laughing at
these immigrants don't even speak the Queens English
In my broadest Jock Accent "I said Neither do I" pronounced as "Nair dae A"

he wasn't amused but I got a free chicken Pakora from the guy on the counter
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PostPosted: 00:30 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
Why pretend he didn't mean it? Surely it's best to call a spade a spade?


Quoted in case that was unintentional. Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:34 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mean what?
You really think he's standing between two cars, reciting and old rhyme thinking 'I wonder if I can just slip in a little covert racism here'?
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldpink wrote:
Oh FFS get a life

the "Political correctness" BS is really doing my head in
its Ok for blacks to call them self Nigga but not Ok for anyone thats not black to mumble the word
trying to bring a bit of humor to to the TV


PC-ness is just bollocks anyway.

Shall we all just assume that everyone is a black jewish rugmunching cockdocking rape victim ex-junkie?

Bloody hell, no cunt would say anything.
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PostPosted: 02:44 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say shit, I know I'm not saying it in a derogatory manner so could give less fucks.

Just refer people to sickipedia, they have a field day on there!

What Clarkson did wasn't even bad, only reason for that video will be because his job would be at stake. I'd grovel if it meant I'd still make millions Laughing

What I find more amusing is "The Dambusters" as modern versions of it the dogs name is muted. Channel 5 forgot a few months back or they did it intentionally, either way I praise them for it.
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PostPosted: 06:54 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
PC-ness is just bollocks anyway.

oldpink wrote:
Oh FFS get a life
the "Political correctness" BS is really doing my head in
its Ok for blacks to call them self Nigga but not Ok for anyone thats not black to mumble the word
trying to bring a bit of humor to to the TV

I myself despise political correctness and manifestations of political correctness such as positive discrimination and quotas. Thing is, I don't regard my refusal to use labels like "nigger" and "slope" in daily life as political correctness.

The whole point about racist slurs is that it does matter who says what to who. Context is important. Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor are black themselves and therefore it would be absurd to accuse them of using "nigger" as a racist slur the way white people did use it for decades. They've reclaimed the word for themselves.

As for those who have said "look, it's just words, so what if somebody's offended, nobody's hurt", I'd be interested in your view of what racism is, exactly. Do we even accept that racism exists and if so, what constitutes racism? Do we think that racism does exist but that the widespread use of words like nigger, wog, kike, wop, spic is not in itself an indication of racism?

I'm genuinely curious as to whether some people think we should roll back attitudes to where they were fifty years ago.
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PostPosted: 07:00 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

krarkol wrote:
What I find more amusing is "The Dambusters" as modern versions of it the dogs name is muted. Channel 5 forgot a few months back or they did it intentionally, either way I praise them for it.

Agreed. It's imbecilic to try to bowdlerise that sort of thing. The dog's name was Nigger - it's historically accurate. Why mess with it?
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PostPosted: 08:16 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Vincent wrote:
Why pretend he didn't mean it? Surely it's best to call a spade a spade?
Quoted in case that was unintentional. Laughing

...because it would be wrong to call a spade a shovel. Or am I missing something? Confused

On topic, sort of, I sort of remember that nursery rhyme from my youth. I think it fell out of fashion about the same time Robertsons banned GollyWogs from it's preserves (which btw now appear collectable).
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...because it would be wrong to call a spade a shovel. Or am I missing something? Confused

On topic, sort of, I sort of remember that nursery rhyme from my youth. I think it fell out of fashion about the same time Robertsons banned GollyWogs from it's preserves (which btw now appear collectable).


I thought they changed it to tigger? I can't really remember that rhyme from my childhood, but I'm probably too young.
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PostPosted: 08:50 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...because it would be wrong to call a spade a shovel. Or am I missing something? Confused

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spade
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...because it would be wrong to call a spade a shovel. Or am I missing something? Confused


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PostPosted: 09:18 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was on a clip that was cut and never broadcast.

It was mumbled unclearly, regardless of what anyone says, it isn't conclusive that he said the n-word. Only that it sounds like it, but when you mumble it is hard to understand as words are no longer clear (Jamaica Inn, another BBC programme where apparently nobody could understand the mumbling actors)

It is common with Top Gear that they'll say something which is manipulated by a bleep or in some kind of innuendo way, where it is obvious to the viewer what was said, or the meaning of what would have been said. Such cases are usually stuff that couldn't be broadcast on tv before the 9pm watershed, or because they're slanderous suggestions.

The n-word was common in the nursery rhyme in America, not so much here in the UK, so many people won't have known to expect or associate the word with the nursery rhyme even if the mumbled version had been broadcast.



I don't think he said the n-word, I don't think he meant any racial offence, therefore I don't think the video clip matters as it was never intended for broadcast.

I just think it is another witch hunt by the Mirror, and lets not forget, they previously accused Frankie Boyle of being racist, which a court deemed to be defamation and libel. They have previous form.



The recent slope comment was different, and a bigger deal was made of that than necessary I think. It seems there are so many people complaining about Top Gear, claiming they're offended and outraged, yet they continue to watch... all they have to do is stop watching, then they can't be offended by it.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
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The recent slope comment was different, and a bigger deal was made of that than necessary I think. It seems there are so many people complaining about Top Gear, claiming they're offended and outraged, yet they continue to watch... all they have to do is stop watching, then they can't be offended by it.


I don't watch Assads gassing and bombing of innocent civilians....and I didn't witness Rolf Harris molesting children......but I'm still offended and outraged by these actions and just by not watching them, they won't cease to happen. Looking the other way very rarely changes anything.


I think most people would be outraged at that. But my view is those are physical crimes against people.

How much would Clarkson's words actually hurt someone?


I can't help but think this is getting blown a little more out of proportion than necessary because of the other high profile instances of racism in the news this week (Dani Alves banana incident and LA Clippers owner Donald Sterling)
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The daily mirror employed lip readers to tell what he said. Who knows if they are telling the truth or just saying what the paper wants to hear.

If he didn't say it out loud it's no one buisness but his own. Rightly or wrongly his own thoughts are his, not anyone elses.

FFS, some of the things I've muttered under my breath when a pretty girl walked by would have me arrested for sexual harrassment. Twisted Evil

I am so pig sick of PC shite it's untrue.
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