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PostPosted: 11:39 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Buying an offroad bike - precautions? Reply with quote

I'm going to see a KDX200 tonight.

The guy is uncomfortable meeting at his house as there have been a lot of bikes stolen from the area lately - he doesn't want me to check it out then come back and steal it that night.

There is lots of advice against buying bikes at locations other than the persons house or business. Also, the bike has no V5 as it's not for on the road. He does claim to have the paperwork from the dealer where he bought it and I'll be wanting that.

What other precautions would you take?


Also, would like to take it off his hands tonight if it's in as good condition as it looks - there are other buyers scheduled for Saturday - do you reckon it would be possible to fit in the back of a Ford CMax (seats folded flat and possibly removing wheels from bike) ? If not, I can get a van, just don't want to miss it as the price is very good.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Price is very good, but doesn't want to meet at his address.

Does this not ring alarm bells?
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
Price is very good, but doesn't want to meet at his address.

Does this not ring alarm bells?


Not for me, I've always gone to a different address to sell my bikes. Whether its mums/old flat etc.

If they are interested in it, they'll buy it, just ask him to bring proof of ID that matches the documents etc.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume he will have no paper work tying him to the bike either.

My guess is still stolen bike.
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of bikes have been stolen in the area and he's selling a bike but doesn't want you to know where he lives? Laughing

Well that's not suspicious. Liar
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
Does this not ring alarm bells?


Well yes, clearly it does, hence my post Wink

That's why I'm looking for additional precautions. If I got the VIN number would I be able to run it past the police to check if it was reported stolen? Would I be able to do that outside office hours? Would you get a picture of the guy "just in case" ? (not sure what good that would be really)

I'm hoping if I agree to buy it we'll be dropping by his house to fetch paperwork and some spare parts. That would settle the alarms a little bit.
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say before hand that you want ID along with papers detailing that he is the owner/original receipt/vehicle documents with his name on etc.

If he has it, he will not kick up a fuss. If he doesn't he'll put up a fight.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had no idea until I rode my DRZ through town quite how much attention that kind of bike attracts from "undesirables".

I've certainly heard of people going back after viewing a bike to nick it, so I'd say he's legit.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chalky. wrote:

I've certainly heard of people going back after viewing a bike to nick it, so I'd say he's legit.


Maybe if the he wasn't selling the bike considerably below market value.
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Redd wrote:
PhilDawson8270 wrote:
Does this not ring alarm bells?


Well yes, clearly it does, hence my post Wink

That's why I'm looking for additional precautions. If I got the VIN number would I be able to run it past the police to check if it was reported stolen? Would I be able to do that outside office hours? Would you get a picture of the guy "just in case" ? (not sure what good that would be really)

I'm hoping if I agree to buy it we'll be dropping by his house to fetch paperwork and some spare parts. That would settle the alarms a little bit.

I wouldn't bother with any of that as it's almost certainly stolen.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

You say Paddy's post is helpful because that's the answer you're wanting to hear.

There's loads of bikes out there for sale, find one that's less questionable.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
There's loads of bikes out there for sale, find one that's less questionable.


Indeed, that also. I picked up a perfectly legit KTM with everything checking out, guy even showed me to his garage, same with my TTR600, had an RS125 and 250 in there... most people aren't too fussed.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

if its got all paperwork you'll be fine, generally with dirt bikes if they are not registered I want dealer receipts etc. To be fair away from his address no V5 (KDX was an enduro bike and most are road registered at some point)

Frame number is on the RHS of the headstock. The engine number is on the top of the right hand crank case. If it feels dodgy it probably is.
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a pdf of the manual for the KDX somewhere if you want to message me im sure I could send it over.
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
You say Paddy's post is helpful because that's the answer you're wanting to hear.


It wasn't so much the answer I wanted to hear (that would have been "Do X,Y,Z and you're guaranteed it's not stolen"), more for answering the question I asked Smile I'm trying to mitigate risk rather than remove it altogether. With a road bike I'd want to see the v5 etc, but I've never bought an off-road bike before so was wondering what other steps can be taken.

I'm prepared to walk away if I'm not sufficiently satisfied it's legit, but I also don't want to turn down a good deal just because the guy is worried I'LL steal his bike. Price is "good" because it's not currently running, but I'm hoping it's fairly straight forward to resolve. Viewing it tonight with a more mechanically minded pal to see if it's worth it and what documentation can be provided.
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can mitigate the risk of the police taking stolen property from you by plod by not buying stolen property in the first place. Thumbs Up

If the seller gets your name then he can come and steal the bike from you after he's sold it to you.

How much cheaper is it than other similar bikes?
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
You can mitigate the risk of the police taking stolen property from you by plod by not buying stolen property in the first place. Thumbs Up


Check for legitimacy when you get there, check the person and their attitude, also as I said, ask for ID and stuff before hand. Legit sellers that want to sell will assist, scum won't.

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If the seller gets your name then he can come and steal the bike from you after he's sold it to you.


Same with any bike, ever?

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How much cheaper is it than other similar bikes?


Probably cheaper given lack of V5, but not a reason to shy away in my eyes once confirming the owner is the owner with legitimate documents/receipts to prove.

All y'all niggaz be worried.
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
If the seller gets your name then he can come and steal the bike from you after he's sold it to you.


As Paddy said, not sure how that's different from any other sale...also not sure why I'd be giving him my details (no v5/registration docs). He mentioned dealer receipts on the phone, will want to see them tie up with his details.

Ste wrote:
How much cheaper is it than other similar bikes?

Seen similar bikes around the £1-1.5k mark (and others for a bit more). It was advertised at £800 originally, down to £650 as he says he needs the space.
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:12 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
...just ask him to bring proof of ID that matches the documents etc.


...so you can glimpse his address and return there to steal it later that night...
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know you wanted to buy tonight but being patient could pay off,
View the bike etc tonight where he wants but tell him you will only pay/buy from the sellers home,
If you are buying the bike how can you come back later and steal it,
So there isnt the same excuse if you are buying it,

It does sound strange but being honest you cant blame the seller for being careful either can you ?
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kdx200 with no v5? These were pretty much all road registered so its probably nicked, whether it was years ago and has been recovered and is now legit is another matter.

If it still has its frame no, get it checked any dealership can do it if they have an account with hpi. Get the guy to text you the frame no and check it before viewing.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it has no numbers it better be really cheap!
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, some guy who won't tell you where he lives expects you to turn up somewhere to view a bike that may be stolen or might not even exist with a big wad of cash in your hand?
Go for it......What could possibly go wrong?
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chalky. wrote:
I had no idea until I rode my DRZ through town quite how much attention that kind of bike attracts from "undesirables".

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I pushed my broken down XR 250 from the other side of town, and these "yoofs" were popping up like meer cats watching me. Shocked
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 02 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you buy this bike without asking the right questions, then you're just the latest in a long queue of people fu​cking the real owner up the Gary.

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