2013 600RR Gutless?

[KingKong]

Hi

I took part on the Ron Haslam Race School on the 2013 CBR600RR last year.

I was wondering whether any one knows if they have 'detuned' the bikes at the school, or whether the bikes are stock and practically no different in performance to the ones sold at dealerships?

As much as I enjoyed the ride, I found that the acceleration was somewhat gutless compared to my then Kawasaki 636. Are they all like this or was it perhaps just the school's bike?
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Kwak 636 (2005)

Past - 2016 Ninja 300 (dark grey); K4 GSXR 600 (sexy yellow); 2002 CBR600FS; 2004 GSXR 1000; 2006 Kwak 636; 2005 Yamaha XVS 1100 Dragstar (facepalm); 2005 Kwak 636; 2011 Yamaha R125.

[Scythe]

[KingKong]

No kidding?

It was at the acceleration that I felt the RR really lacking. I had the throttle on the stop all in one twist during the back straight, and it's not something I would do as brazenly on the 636 as the torque of it s too frightening on the road to open up all at once like the RR...

SO, am 2005/6 636 hunting again, but like the rear end of the RR, plus "it's a Honda" so was considering it, but if they're all like the Ron Haslam's Race School bike then I think I'll stick to 636...
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Kwak 636 (2005)

Past - 2016 Ninja 300 (dark grey); K4 GSXR 600 (sexy yellow); 2002 CBR600FS; 2004 GSXR 1000; 2006 Kwak 636; 2005 Yamaha XVS 1100 Dragstar (facepalm); 2005 Kwak 636; 2011 Yamaha R125.

[Philly46]

[Scythe]

I'm not afraid of using full throttle on the 636 but it is definitely more lively and responsive than the 2013 600RR. I know Honda sports bikes are renowned for being a bit more laid back compared to other manufacturers, but I didn't realise that much.
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[KingKong]

For real. Slamming on full throttle on the 636 was far more aggressive; therefore it's not something I would do casually; whereas on the RR I had it pinned straight out of the corner and was left feeling "is that all?"
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Kwak 636 (2005)

Past - 2016 Ninja 300 (dark grey); K4 GSXR 600 (sexy yellow); 2002 CBR600FS; 2004 GSXR 1000; 2006 Kwak 636; 2005 Yamaha XVS 1100 Dragstar (facepalm); 2005 Kwak 636; 2011 Yamaha R125.

[smithyithy]

Pretty much why I'm going for a 675R over a CBR600RR..

[ppeaster]

[J biker]

The 36cc (or37-38cc) does make a difference. Plus the Honda is not the quickest of 600s any way with a fairly flat and linear mid range.

636 a way better bike from an engine performance point of view.

[henry hoover]

[KingKong]

Comfortwise I found the 636 better than the slim and hard RR. Sports bikes are seldom comfortable. Based on comfort, looks and performance the 636 wins. I was just wondering whether the RRs are as lame in comparison as the Ron Haslam bikes. I've got to say I am quite disappointed that they werent detuned and are really that weak under 10k/8k revs.

Having said that different strokes for different folks; I'm sure there are bikers who prefer the 600RR over the 636 too.
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Kwak 636 (2005)

Past - 2016 Ninja 300 (dark grey); K4 GSXR 600 (sexy yellow); 2002 CBR600FS; 2004 GSXR 1000; 2006 Kwak 636; 2005 Yamaha XVS 1100 Dragstar (facepalm); 2005 Kwak 636; 2011 Yamaha R125.

[Scythe]

[Huambo81a]

My old 2003 B1h 636 would still hold its own compared to modern 600's.

So light, and so unforgiving.
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[c_dug]

Going full throttle on a quick bike when surrounded by trees, cars, buildings, lamp posts, kerbs etc would feel very different to going full throttle on a big safe track?

It's hardly a fair comparison surely?
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[Jim Mc]

I have the 600RR and until you get it over 9krpm it barely shifts. It gets its second wind at 9k and is a flying machine.

Which is why it might be good for the track, but it's poor for general road use imo.

[KingKong]

Jim - that seems reasonable.

C_dug - you have a good point; though I feel the actual acceleration, the G force is way stronger than the cbr. In fact, the acceleration and all on the cbr was somewhat lame.

However, it was smooth and precise in the corners. I suppose it is best suited to the track; though how much more superior would the 636 be if it too was on track?
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Kwak 636 (2005)

Past - 2016 Ninja 300 (dark grey); K4 GSXR 600 (sexy yellow); 2002 CBR600FS; 2004 GSXR 1000; 2006 Kwak 636; 2005 Yamaha XVS 1100 Dragstar (facepalm); 2005 Kwak 636; 2011 Yamaha R125.

[Philly46]

[Huambo81a]

[Scythe]

[KingKong]

yes, the 636 was not eligible to compete on track in the 600cc class.

My point, however, is that if one decides to take their own cbr600rr for a fun track day, and then takes a 636 out for a track day they will probably be of the view that the 636 was superior.

Or, if two riders of equal ability went on track together, one on a 636 and the other on an RR, I would think the 636 would out-do the CBR.

I didn't mean in the context of official motosport. Just a comparison on track.
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Kwak 636 (2005)

Past - 2016 Ninja 300 (dark grey); K4 GSXR 600 (sexy yellow); 2002 CBR600FS; 2004 GSXR 1000; 2006 Kwak 636; 2005 Yamaha XVS 1100 Dragstar (facepalm); 2005 Kwak 636; 2011 Yamaha R125.

[G]

On track it may well be that a lot of riders do better in terms of improvement on the bike with less midrange - they're happier to get on the power earlier and make full use of what they have available.