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PostPosted: 03:55 - 04 May 2014    Post subject: "You cannot make such a substantial edit because... &qu Reply with quote

"You cannot make such a substantial edit because this post is more than 24 hours old."

Is unmitigated bullshit.

If I want to remove my stupidity, or borderline slanderous ranting once my blood has cooled, I should damn well be allowed to.

It's already cached and available in future anyway if the police etc need it, so why not?
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PostPosted: 07:49 - 04 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you.

However I'd imagine that the system doesn't store your initial post for comparison, so make a series of small edits where you remove a line/paragraph a time, until you get to the stage where you can replace the entirety of what's left with something like "[removed]"
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 04 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is also an editing limit I believe... I kept updating the initial post for BCF BBQ and stumbled on that sucker. Little less lock down, think minimum security prison rather than Fort Knox Korny baby.
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 04 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
I agree with you.

However I'd imagine that the system doesn't store your initial post for comparison, so make a series of small edits where you remove a line/paragraph a time, until you get to the stage where you can replace the entirety of what's left with something like "[removed]"


It pretty much does, actually.

I've thought better of a couple of recent posts and want to 'maturify' them/remove them from easy internet access.

But cannot. I've had conversations with mods before were they have essentially said; "We like to leave your arse hanging in the breeze if you say/do something stupid"

I guess it's police/google policy or something.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 04 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you-post-it-you-own-it is to become the norm, I wonder how many people will have to eat the consequences before the message sinks in. Thinking
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 04 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think before you post................... simples.
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 04 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes posters don't "think" that they're doing anything wrong though, until it's pointed out to them.

Sometimes, redacting their... "joke" posts is the difference between a funny anecdote and a credible risk of a custodial sentence if their "joke" posts were taken seriously.

Sometimes those posters are genuinely well liked and regarded members.

Sometimes unsaying is the best alternative to never saying.
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 04 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

There goes my exit strategy of editing ALL my previous posts to read "Stinkwheel is a douchebag"... Rolling Eyes Wink

It's annoying when someone does go and change their posts, which makes the replies seem off topic/unduly harsh etc. Fortunately someone usually 'Quotes' but not always. I sort of agree with the editing limit.
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 04 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Sometimes posters don't "think" that they're doing anything wrong though, until it's pointed out to them.

Sometimes, redacting their... "joke" posts is the difference between a funny anecdote and a credible risk of a custodial sentence if their "joke" posts were taken seriously.

Sometimes those posters are genuinely well liked and regarded members.

Sometimes unsaying is the best alternative to never saying.


You know Roger, you are a very good egg Thumbs Up

Basically, this.

Perhaps people like to enjoy the schadenfreude (sp?), but thats why we have 'QFT' if someone says something completely retarded.

People used to use bots to wipe every post they'd ever made off here when they flounced. Whose property is my writing anyway? If I write an excellent post, and it could get published, who would own the rights? If the answer is me, sure I then have the right to redact whatever the hell I like.

Perhaps it could be a perk or priviledge of long standing members. Or maybe this stops being my place to post anything above the occasional; "so, when is the bbq?"

This really, the more I think about it, is a bit of a deal breaker. I won't flounce, but just why risk typing anything remotely personal or interesting in here. The heat of the moment is the only useful time to talk about certain things... otherwise you just wouldn't bother.

Skudd, you seldom to never think before you post, or shall we re-enact those oh-so-dynamic 'push the button' flame sessions you used to have with Hetz.

It's my right, as a poster, to change and rephrase or redact my own work.

If this is a forum policy, this is something that should not be allowed to stay unchallenged. If it's a google policy, or a police policy, then I think after 10 years of using this I shall also be flouncing.
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonny wrote:
If it's a google policy, or a police policy


Why would it be either of these.. Google wont be saying "we wont index your site if stuff changes" and the police wont have any ability to stop anyone editing anything on the internet that they've written.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
Bonny wrote:
If it's a google policy, or a police policy


Why would it be either of these.. Google wont be saying "we wont index your site if stuff changes" and the police wont have any ability to stop anyone editing anything on the internet that they've written.


Perhaps, but then what does it matter?

Again, if it's something to do with thread continuity, by 24 hours no one gives a shit anyway.

So, what's it for? It could be for indexing posts I guess, I know nothing about the PhP stuff.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I have no idea what is in place to limit editing.

However standard phpbb does all its indexing when the post is written (and I think updated when edited).

That said, going back to find an old thread to find someone has deleted the contents of a load of their posts and screwed up any meaning to most of the thread is annoying.

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PostPosted: 12:13 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:

That said, going back to find an old thread to find someone has deleted the contents of a load of their posts and screwed up any meaning to most of the thread is annoying.

All the best

Keith


No, usually in instances where they have done that, there is a valid reason... and the entertainment value of their obvious stupidity is what you miss.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonny wrote:

No, usually in instances where they have done that, there is a valid reason... and the entertainment value of their obvious stupidity is what you miss.


Far from it. Quite often it is where someone has decided to leave the forum and destroy their previous contributions when they do so.

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PostPosted: 13:17 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Bonny wrote:

No, usually in instances where they have done that, there is a valid reason... and the entertainment value of their obvious stupidity is what you miss.


Far from it. Quite often it is where someone has decided to leave the forum and destroy their previous contributions when they do so.

All the best

Keith


Ah, well then surely the best way is to limit it to a few posts per day, to stop the trawling bots strip-mining previous content in one block.

Or limit it to 3 a month, and make people aware. But the current system is not great.
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonny wrote:

Ah, well then surely the best way is to limit it to a few posts per day, to stop the trawling bots strip-mining previous content in one block.

Or limit it to 3 a month, and make people aware. But the current system is not great.


As I said, I do not know how the system currently works and what the relevant time limits are for what kind of edits. But the previous system where random or destructive edits could be made years after the post was (to me) very broken.

Check something like Stack Overflow where edits on comments can be done for 5 minutes, and edits for full posts are kept with all the changes (so at a mouse click you can see what the post said previously).

All the best

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PostPosted: 00:04 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:


As I said, I do not know how the system currently works and what the relevant time limits are for what kind of edits. But the previous system where random or destructive edits could be made years after the post was (to me) very broken.

Check something like Stack Overflow where edits on comments can be done for 5 minutes, and edits for full posts are kept with all the changes (so at a mouse click you can see what the post said previously).

All the best

Keith


Perhaps, but you were the mod in question who once told me; "Normally we wouldn't let you delete this thread, we like to see you hoisted by your own bullshit and flown a bit.... but this is now affecting someone else."

This current system, to me, is also very broken.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Not sure I used those exact words, but unless there are major reasons (such as screwing over someone else) it is a sentiment I agree with. Ie, look before you leap.

All the best

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PostPosted: 07:17 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonny wrote:
Perhaps, but you were the mod in question who once told me; "Normally we wouldn't let you delete this thread, we like to see you hoisted by your own bullshit and flown a bit.... but this is now affecting someone else."


Kickstart wrote:
Hi

Not sure I used those exact words


EFA, you forgot his sig Bonny Tut Tut

Kickstart wrote:
"Normally we wouldn't let you delete this thread, we like to see you hoisted by your own bullshit and flown a bit.... but this is now affecting someone else."

All the best

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PostPosted: 07:27 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone leaves/flounces and get all their posts deleted. Rolling Eyes Laughing

As we're all responsible for what we post, if we can't edit our posts then does some of the responsibility for what's been posted shift to BCF/Korn?
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

iirc didn't someone once flounce and must have managed to run something that deleted all their posts?
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
iirc didn't someone once flounce and must have managed to run something that deleted all their posts?


Yes. Pink vespa avatar, can't remember the name.

They ran a script that found all their posts (of which there were many over a number of years) and edited them to a full stop.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
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iirc didn't someone once flounce and must have managed to run something that deleted all their posts?


Yes. Pink vespa avatar, can't remember the name.

They ran a script that found all their posts (of which there were many over a number of years) and edited them to a full stop.


I believe that's because she'd scored some parasite job in The City (banking probably) where their HR H&S PC Ban-Culture Preventionism dept can and usually will sack you for having an opinion about so much as the weather on any social media.
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to know where we stand.

I'll leave this place to the new crop then.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emergency plans are already in place for rescuing BCF from the clutches of Google if it becomes necessary. Thumbs Up
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