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PostPosted: 12:12 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Lots of Karma to whoever finds... Reply with quote

a DC-DC converter. 6V-50V input and 12V output. Must be able to handle 4 amps at 12V.

All I can find are 8V-40V input or similar. Ideally automotive style, so waterproof with the standard die cast aluminium housing.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you tried farnell?

https://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp;jsessionid=BY0TAXM535I2ACQLCIPJK0Q?N=0&Ntk=gensearch&Ntt=dc+converter&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&exposeLevel2Refinement=true&suggestions=false&ref=globalsearch&_requestid=352816
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

duhawkz wrote:


Yeah, and RS.

I am looking for something like this.

https://www.rabbit-electronics.com/ebay/DC-DC%20converter/wgd%20c1.jpg

Except in the UK (ideally) with a larger input range.
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

that a very wide voltage range for input (and odd voltages too). you may end up building something for that.

whats is it application to be?
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

orac wrote:
that a very wide voltage range for input (and odd voltages too). you may end up building something for that.

whats is it application to be?


Portable tool to be used on plant machinery which may not have a 12V supply. My ideal range would be to cover everything from 6v to 48v but I might end up going with 12v-24v as this will cover 99% of the machines this will be used on. If I did come across a DC-DC converter that had a wider range, it would be a benefit though.

I have thought of putting a toggle switch to switch between boards covering different voltage ranges but would rather not.
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't find anything that would do 4a at 12v out from that low an input voltage, Murata do a couple of brick type converters that might do the output but they're starting from ~18v minimum input:

input range of 18v - 36v / nominal:24v on this:
https://www.murata-ps.com/en/products/dc-dc-converters/single-output-isolated/ule-12-4-2-d24n-c.html

input range of 18v - 75v / nominal:48v on this:
https://www.murata-ps.com/en/products/dc-dc-converters/single-output-isolated/uws-12-4-5-q48nm-c.html
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe worth calling these guys: https://www.relec.co.uk/WDD20-A ?

Their WDD20-12S4U model lists 9v - 36v in, 12v out but I don't know what loading it'd carry?

[edit] 1.6A load by the looks of it Confused
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah it looks to be a tricky one to find. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Lots of Karma to whoever finds... Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
a DC-DC converter. 6V-50V input and 12V output. Must be able to handle 4 amps at 12V.

All I can find are 8V-40V input or similar. Ideally automotive style, so waterproof with the standard die cast aluminium housing.



For up to 34v try this

https://linitx.com/product/dcdcusb-intelligent-dcdc-converter-with-usb-interface/12679

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DCDC-USB is a high power intelligent DC-DC converter. This unit accepts any input ranging from 6-34V. Output is 12V regulated or output can be changed with simple jumper settings to 5V, 6V, 9V, 12V, 13.5V, 18V or 24V or via USB in fine increments (0.25V) anywhere from 5-24V.

Applications: Powering motherboard with single rail power from any voltage to any voltage, laptops, custom electronics. This module can be used to convert any voltage ranging 6-34V to any output from 5-24V.


High current, up to 10A
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ Unfortunately that is quite expensive. If it went to 48v then I would consider it.

I am thinking of going for just this.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00GXXQ1VA/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Cheap and can handle upto 40v. Only issue is it just a step down unit so anything below 12v, the output is also below 12v.
£10.50 for 12v-24v is decent value compared to anything else I can find.
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Lots of Karma to whoever finds... Reply with quote

Could you do something with a solar charge controller?

Have to play about a bit probably as they're intended to charge batteries, but they can often do 100v to 12v (well, a voltage appropriate for charging a 12v battery) with plenty enough amps.

An MPPT one won't lose too many watts in the processes.
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 06 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easier to plan for the primary side as most are going to be 110 to 230v ac, pretty much every machine in the world is going to have this to tap into.

Then just carry around your own tranny with a 12v output - with 4A output its not going to be much bigger than a fag pack.

Like: https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/din-rail-panel-mount-power-supplies/0428467/
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PostPosted: 00:11 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

been a while since I built any thing like that (30 years ago)
but its not hard
biggest problem is dissipating the unwanted energy
or drawing enough current from a lower voltage than the outpit
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Lots of Karma to whoever finds... Reply with quote

G wrote:
Could you do something with a solar charge controller?

Have to play about a bit probably as they're intended to charge batteries, but they can often do 100v to 12v (well, a voltage appropriate for charging a 12v battery) with plenty enough amps.

An MPPT one won't lose too many watts in the processes.


I imagine large solar controllers are going to be very expensive and for one small enough for what I want, is going to be a very low current rating despite the high voltage.
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

janner_10 wrote:
Easier to plan for the primary side as most are going to be 110 to 230v ac, pretty much every machine in the world is going to have this to tap into.

Then just carry around your own tranny with a 12v output - with 4A output its not going to be much bigger than a fag pack.

Like: https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/din-rail-panel-mount-power-supplies/0428467/


The machines this is going to be used on will all have DC not AC power.
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Lots of Karma to whoever finds... Reply with quote

A 10A PWM would be under a tenner - but they dump excess load.
May not be an issue for you.
A quick look shows a MPPT that CLAIMS to do 48v and up to 30A for 12v for around £30.
For a solar application these are probably not up to scratch - I expect you'll have issues if you sustain 30A charging 12v batteries, but may well be fine for 4A and less.
There are cheaper options from £6, but the first one I looked at didn't go up to 48v for 12v systems.

Of course, none of these will do 6v.

Another option I'd thought about, but that cost more is 'hobby chargers' used for electric RC vehicles - these are often designed to work from batteries in the field. But, ones that take up to the sort of voltage you're looking to go up to tend to be expensive with decent outputs - ie going past 1kw.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Lots of Karma to whoever finds... Reply with quote

G wrote:

Another option I'd thought about, but that cost more is 'hobby chargers' used for electric RC vehicles - these are often designed to work from batteries in the field. But, ones that take up to the sort of voltage you're looking to go up to tend to be expensive with decent outputs - ie going past 1kw.


They tend to be like 10-18 I think.

I have an expensive 1000W jobbie for the bike and it's 10-32.

However I'm sure it can be "hacked", look at the iMax B6, there are plenty of forums that have taken it apart and changed bits, they may have tried to adjust input voltage. They are dirt cheap too.
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is for a power tool using a DC battery supply. Looking at MPPT's, I don't really gain much for the cost increase.

I will keep them in mind if I need a higher current rating though.
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PostPosted: 05:41 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is the input range so large? What are the actual input voltages going to be?
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PostPosted: 06:45 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charlie wrote:
Why is the input range so large? What are the actual input voltages going to be?


It depends what is available to the operator. These machines use between 6v and 48v power systems. Whilst 6v is rare, it is simple as a lot of deep cycle batteries come as a 6v per battery and you may have 8 in series for 48v. It may also not be easily accesible so 48v may be the only option.

In the vast majority of cases, 12-24v is fine, I just wanted to see what the price increase would be like if I could find something that expanded that range.
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any reason not to just get some seperate batteries?

If it's only drawing a maximum 4A, a set of lithium batteries that should run it for a good amount of time shouldn't be too expensive or heavy.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Any reason not to just get some seperate batteries?

If it's only drawing a maximum 4A, a set of lithium batteries that should run it for a good amount of time shouldn't be too expensive or heavy.


Cost + like I said above, all these machines will have a DC power source and 95% will have 12v-24v.

My choices are either:

12v only input for free.
8v-40v input for £10.50
A wider range input for £40+
Batteries + charger for even more £££.
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not saying it'll be any good and probably be half the listed amp-hours, but...
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290926383451

Not expensive.
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Not saying it'll be any good and probably be half the listed amp-hours, but...
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290926383451

Not expensive.


Hmmm interesting.

I imagine like you say, it will probably not be 6800mah but still. This may need investigating.
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's half that 'usable', I reckon you'd be lucky. But, of course, that'd give you over 50 minutes or so use at 4A, which isn't too bad.
There's a similar claimed 8000mah one up for around £20.
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