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Marmalade
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Gumtree Scammer (huge post) Reply with quote

It's a biggie.

From the first email I knew this was a scammer so i didn't care, then I got into it. This one is using slightly different method to what I've seen before, mainly haggling and not just agreeing to the asked price.

I listed some stuff for sale on Gumtree and had the usual 'what condition is it?' to which i replied 'read the advert and you'll find out'

Next was a 'what is your final price?'

I said i was open to offers, came back with an offer of about 60% of the asking price, i said far too little and a bit off too and froing saw me agree to a 10% discount.

He asked for paypal email so he could pay and his agent could inspect and collect, i got a disposable email as [email protected]

I expected a payment from a stolen paypal account but instead I get an email from 'paypal' telling me i've been paid.

Quote:
PayPal


Dear [email protected],

You have an Instant Payment of £595.00 GBP from Smith Rolland ([email protected]).

Payment Details

Purchased From
marmalade
[email protected]
Transaction ID: 0TR19308DU070732T


Merchandise Number Merchandise Title Quantity Price Subtotal
Not Available
Machine 1
£450.00 £450.00


Transport Company ( First Class Service ):
(includes Agent Charges) £145.00
Taxes and Insurance (not offered): £00.00

Total: £595.00 GBP

Important Note : This is to confirm to you that the said amount has been successfully transferred by Smith Rolland ([email protected]) and has been deducted from her PayPal account and is ready to be credited into your account ([email protected]). For the fact that this Payment has been subjected to be a Payment for a MERCHANDISE purchased from you, we reserve the right to make sure this transaction is safe and secured also to verify the legitimacy level on this transaction because of the high Sum of funds involved.

The above sum has included the transport charges and taxes as we and the Transport Company quoted for the buyer (as per PayPal® MERCHANDISE PAYMENT POLICY). You will receive a Message from the PayPal Customer Verification Department Shortly informing you on how to send the shipping charges and taxes to the transport company with the above details as soon as possible.


Due to the fact that PayPal processes thousands of orders daily, PayPal recommends you contacting the Customer Support Representative that has been assigned to this particular order directly at ([email protected]).



Quote:
PayPal Safety Measures Against Online Fraud!

Dear [email protected],

You have received a PayPal Payment of £595.00 GBP from Smith Rolland ([email protected])

A temporary hold has been placed on this transaction!

As mentioned in the receipt of Payment and as per New PayPal Payment policy, we have fully debited the total amount (above) from the buyer's account which includes the buyer's shipper's pick up fees.


In order to complete this transaction and get the funds approved in your account. We advice you go to nearest Western Union Office, and send the £125.00 GBP to the Agent and send us a Scanned Copy/Photograph of your Western Union Transaction Receipt.

NOTE: This is important as a security measure to ensure safety of this transaction.


Please, find below the name and address of the Transport Agent where the Funds would be sent via Western Union Money Transfer.


Transport Company

Address:

Name: Jim Boye
City: Ibadan,
State: Oyo
Zip Code:23402
Country: Nigeria.


Address Status:
Confirmed

Your Account will be credited accordingly upon the receipt of details requested. It should either be sent in JPG format or send type details as:
Sender's Full Name and Address; Receiver's Full Name; MTCN; Amount Sent; Security Question and Answer.

You may Click Here or reply








Quote:
Dear marmalade,
We have successfully calculated the pick up cost according to the delivery address given to us by your purchaser and your own pick up address. The total pick up cost is£125.00 GBP.
We have been asked to expect the pick up cost from you through Western Union before the pick up.You can easily make the transfer at any nearest western union shop and you can also get it done on western union website www.westernunion.co.uk and you will have to send the money to the address below:

Jim Boye
13, Omoluabi Ave. Oke-Ado,
Ibadan,
Oyo state.
23402
Nigeria.

You will have to get back to us with the western union details you received from them below:

Sender's name and full address
Money Transfer Control Number (MTCN)


You will use the following security question and answer while you are sending the money:


Security Question: Color?
Answer: Rad


We will be looking forward to read from you so as to know when we should expect the money and to arrange for the pick up date and time.

Thank you,


Manager,
Edwin Laymon.

BIFA Removals Company
Removals & Excess Baggage Specialists.
[email protected]




So, 'paypal' are instructing me to make a payment to the shipping company via western union before they release funds.
(do people actually fall for this shit?)

I told him i would have to phone paypal on tuesday to confirm it because the money usually goes into my account and this is unusual, I was hoping it would prompt an actual payment so i could annoy him even more with pics of my new ipad bought with the funds etc.

I emailed him tues

Quote:
Unfortunately I have not been able to get through to paypal but I have found a shipper who will deliver the item to you for less.
I have booked a collection for tomorrow morning and it should be delivered at your address in 5 working days.
I will refund you the £40 saving once the hold in funds is released after tracking is confirmed
Best regards


Him
Quote:
NO, I will prefer my deliver company to come for the pick up at your location address.



Me
Quote:
Well, it's booked now. They will collect in the morning. It's a very good company I know and trust, xxxxxxx, the item will be flown out of London Heathrow tomorrow night.
I have a receipt from them as well, western union won't give me a courier payment receipt.



Me again
Quote:
It's too late now. The courier has been booked and paid for.
They are very good and will get the item you you quickly and safely.

The collection reference for xxxxxx is F54uk-u07514cnt

(fuck you cunt) Laughing

Him

[/quote]You have to make the payment through western union so that they can come for the pick up[/quote]

Me
Quote:
I don't have money now to cancel SMC and book your expensive courier because of the way paypal payment was made.
If it was done the normal way I would be able to pay western union.

The item should be with you by Thursday.


Him
Quote:
On 6 May 2014, at 12:25, Smith Rolland <[email protected]> wrote:

No, I will not accreted that from you. You will have to send the money through western union and get the receipt from them


Me
Quote:
I don’t have the money.
I don’t get the money until I give a tracking number, god knows why you sent it that way but I do not have the money to pay a courier.

The courier I booked is on account so I can pay them at the end of May, after the paypal payment is released.

If you insist on using your courier, I will need to have the payment here.


So, then I've had various emails from 'paypal'


Quote:
Dear [email protected],

We received complaint over the Money you were asked to send by "Smith Rolland" We have Rigorously cross checked the Money sent to you, it is confirmed and intact but Pending with us. We need to verify and be sure that you have sent the money to the Address given to you by PayPal before we can credit your Pending funds to your Bank account.

The buyer has been worried and ready to sue PayPal, So we want you to try all your possible best and make sure you send the insurance cost and email us with the Western Union Information for verification and confirmation so that we could CREDIT your Pending funds to your Bank account which the buyer transfer to your Bank account.

We would urge you to abide by all PayPal rules as regards this Payment. We want you to send out the insurance cost immediately you receive this email from PayPal and get back to us with the Western Union Information, so that we could verify it and credit your Pending funds to your Bank account with immediate effect.

Our Record shows that you are a Verified PayPal User, So we need to proof beyond all reasonable doubts that you are legitimate and that's why we need you to send us a proof of sending the fee, so as to secure the both the seller and buyer from Fraud.

Note: Failure to comply and send the insurance cost out might lead to permanent suspension of your account and even take "Legal Action" on you as we have the right to protect out numerous customer from fraud seller, We have all your contact information with us and our fraud investigation team will take over from there.

We shall be looking forward to hearing from you soon.

Thank you for using PayPal.



Quote:
Dear [email protected],
One of the benefits of using PayPal is that we make every effort to alert you to potentially problematic transactions. Our goal is to help you make sound business decisions.
A review of recent transactions indicates that you entered into an agreement with Smith Rolland ([email protected]) by requesting money through PayPal, which shows that the PayPal account holder have authorized the payment you received.
We would like to learn more about this transaction. It is important we know the status of the item bought concerning the information we requested from you, otherwise, legal action may be taken against you since you have not replied to the confirmation of payment made to your account by her over time.
We are ensuring to make PayPal a safer place, therefore we need to set confidence on our users. We use proprietary technology - and constantly innovation - to help ensure every transactions are safe.
We strongly advice you to make the transfer and send the scanned receipt and the MTCN to prove the transfer of the fund in less than 24hours so that we can credit your account or you face the consequences of LEGAL ACTION.

We have placed a temporary hold on the funds until the verification is completed.
------------------------------
-----
Transaction Details
-----------------------------------

Case Number : PP-304-718-247
Transaction ID : 0TR19308DU070732T
Response deadline : 05/07/2014
---------------------------------
Sincerely,
PayPal Team
---------------------------------

PayPal Email ID PP9438





I've today got the below email which ive replied to stating no transfer needs to be made as the goods have been sent, waiting on the next one.

I've given a collection tracking number and name of courier company and their phone number (0844 365 SCAM) :LOL:

Quote:
Dear [email protected],


My name is Richard Wilson. I'm a PayPal representative in charge of your transaction with Smith Rolland ([email protected])
All you have to do is reply to this message with the full sender's name and the MTCN Control number as soon as you have made the transfer.
Thank you very much for choosing PayPal.
PayPal Account Team!


That's where it's at currently, any suggestions on next steps? I usually tell them to feck off but this one got me interested.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
So the £595(ish) payment's still on hold? And the scammer will never say the item has arrived?

I played one of these along years ago....he was trying to scam money by pretending his friend, who was a prince, and loaded, needed a WU payment to clear his funds......something like that anyway Confused

I told him that I couldn't help but that I had told the story to my rich auntie and she was heartbroken. he got really excited Very Happy
I kept it going for weeks before he realised what was happening Very Happy

It'd be good if you could scam that money off him Cool

Niogeria sounds one of the most miserable places on the planet at the moment....you can't blame them for trying I suppose and yes, people do fall for it......otherwise they probably wouldn't still be trying it on.


No, the email isn't from paypal, that is the scam, it just is made to look like it is.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Authentic paypal emails will also have DKIM signing.
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watching this now for the happiness it will surely bring me greatly.

Why can't they get someone to at least write proper Engrish?!
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You really have "try all your possible best". Thumbs Up

Perhaps start wailing that you're powerful a-scared of their pending LEGAL ACTION, and desperately keen to hear what terrifying form it will take?

PRACTICE DIRECTION – PRE-ACTION CONDUCT is a decent source of legalbabble.
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://nowscape.com/scams/NIGERIA_scam_images/Nigerian_Not_Butter.jpghttps://www.dreamhost.com/dreamscape/files/2005/08/419scammer.jpg
https://www.goldismoney2.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28253&d=1356031884&thumb=1

Make Mr Smith Rolland 'prove' he is real.
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd send him an email from "Nigerian customs" explaining that a parcel addressed to him had been intercepted at the border and it contained guns or drugs or human body parts or whatever and can he identify the sender.
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always easy to check your paypal account by using your usual entry mode rather than clicking their link.

I had a most enjoyable time some years ago stringing along an 'I've bought your bike for my father who's on an oilrig, I'm abroad and (despite having no problems emailing you) cannot access my bank to pay the courier' wanker.
It became boring after a while and I told him to 'f*** off back to his mud hut' as well as some other choice terminology! Didn't hear back from him but it was fun whilst it lasted Laughing

This site is full of fun for pissing off scammers... https://www.419eater.com/
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Create an uber-professional-looking document, cover it in HM government emblems etc, use your finest professional political English, and write a message on it saying that the case has been forward to agency XYZ and the embassy in his country has been informed, foreign officials are working with his government and all his user details have been logged with international police, his time is limited and a warrant is out for his detention.

Then attach it to your next email and send it to him.

He won't reply again but if you make it look real enough he'll certainly spend a good week or more scared shitless Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just going to go on until rumbled and then tell him me and all my mates have been having a laugh at just how stupid he is and send him a link to this thread.
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
Ah....got ya.

I think Vincent is ripe for scaming Wink
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had one similar a couple of weeks ago, I soon got bored though and when we agree on a price I emailed, 'OK, but only if I get a go on your misses as well'. Didn't hear anything back.
Would be epic if someone scammed the scammer though and kept the money.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
Had one similar a couple of weeks ago, I soon got bored though and when we agree on a price I emailed, 'OK, but only if I get a go on your misses as well'. Didn't hear anything back.
Would be epic if someone scammed the scammer though and kept the money.


It would eventually be taken back by paypal but it would be nice just to take that one account away from them, just when they were thinking they'd won.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It gets more surreal.

They are committed if nothing else.

I emailed him yesterday asking him if he could let me know when the item arrives so I can chase up the payment with paypal if it hasn't arrived by then.

Just had an email from 'PayPal'

Quote:

From: "[email protected]®" <[email protected]>
Date: 8 May 2014 13:51
To: [email protected]
Subject: LOW TRANSFER CREDIT OF TRANSACTION ID # (0TR19308DU070732T)***

[image: PayPal]


Dear [email protected],

We wish to inform you that your credit of £595.00 GBP is too low to transfer into your PayPal account due to the fact that it is an Automated International Transfer and we are about to conclude your payment transaction today to the sum of £750.00 GBP which is the minimum round figure that can be transfer into your account.

We wish to inform you that we have contact the buyer about this issue and deducted an extra £155.00 GBP from his account to your account so you will be receiving the total amount of £750.00 GBP into your account but the money will not be credited into your account until you refund back the £155.00 GBP to the buyer and he has requested the money to be sent to her daughter through Western union, so we urge you to go ahead and send the money to the buyer's daughter and get back to us with the Reference number so we can verify it and credit the money into your PayPal account.

The deduction of the extra £155.00 GBP has shown off the buyer's account, You are advised to contact the buyer and settle this issue by refunding the£155.00 GBP before the money will be credited in your account.

We regret to inform you that the payment may not get to your PayPal account until you settle this possible issue with your buyer.

We are very sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.

Thanks for your understanding.

Sincerely,

PayPal Customer care Team.


So, I've replied

Quote:
PayPal.

I don't have the funds to make any payment.
If you pay me half of it, I can make the western union transfer to allow the rest to be paid.

Many thanks.

Marm

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PostPosted: 16:14 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hahaha that's great. I keep reading everything the Nigerian says in the accent of that guy from phone jacker. Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't wait to see how this ends. Its like playing chess with the scammer.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is more.

at 2:38pm (from 'paypal')
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Dear [email protected],

PayPal has request a Refund Payment of £155.00 GBP using PayPal.

Smith Rolland is a verified Member.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Refund Payment Details

Refund Amount: £155.00 GBP
Transaction ID: 0TR19308DU070732T
Transaction Status: Pending/Approved

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note: You are to refund the money back to the Buyer so as to complete your transaction with us.Go to Western Union office now and use the information below to send the money and get back to us with the Western union details.
Thanks

------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------------------
Receiver's Information

Name: Tola Mathew
City: Ibadan,
State: Oyo
Zip Code:23402
Country: Nigeria.

Security Question: What is it for ?
Security Answer: Book.

Address Status: Confirmed

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Your PayPal account will be credited as soon as we receive the necessary details as regards the Western Union Transfer sent to the address given above
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thank you for using PayPal!
The PayPal Team

PayPal Email ID PP843




Also at 2:38 (from scammer)
Quote:
Hello marm, i just got notification from PayPal that extra £155 was deducted from my account in order to round up your Payment. I hope you got the notification from them as well? You are to make a refund of £155 so as to complete the transaction and the fund is to be sent to my Daughter who is schooling in West Africa. Do get back to me asap and here is the details to do the the transfer:
Name: Tola Mathew
City: Ibadan,
State: Oyo
Zip Code:23402
Country: Nigeria.
Security Question: What is it for ?
Security Answer: Book
Sincerely,
Smith.



at 2:48
Quote:
PayPal


My name is Richard Wilson. I'm a PayPal representative in charge of your transaction with Smith Rolland ([email protected]).

Your credit of £595.00 GBP is too low to be transferred into your PayPal account due to the fact that it is an automated international Transfer and we have conclude your payment transaction to the sum of £750.00 GBP which is the minimum round figure that can be transferred into your account.

Your buyer has requested that the money should be refund back through Western Union and we have verified the receiver's address provided to us, You are to make the payment of £155.00 GBP and send it to the address below:

Name: Tola Mathew
City: Ibadan,
State: Oyo
Zip Code:23402
Country: Nigeria.

Security Question: What is it for ?
Security Answer: Book.
We want you to be rest assured that the total sum of £750.00 GBP will be credited into your account once you have make the refund of the excess money and you send the MTCN number to us for confirmation.

We thank you for being an asset to PayPal and we hope to serve you better in the nearest future.

Thank you for using PayPal!

The PayPal Team

PayPal Email ID PP1268




I don't think this scammer has access to any stolen paypal accounts but i'll keep trying. It's not over till it's over.

My reply to 'paypal'
Quote:
Hello Mr Wilson

I don't think you understand, I don't have available funds to make this western union payment.

If some of the £750 was released to my paypal account at [email protected], for example £150 or more than I would be able to refund smith with the amount via western union. Until then, I don't know what solution can be made.

Once I have some funds into my paypal account, I can make the western union transfer within an hour during the daytime.

marm



email to scammer
Quote:
Hi

I’ve emailed paypal explaining that until they release some of the funds into my paypal account I am unable to make any payment, it is simply not possible.

I will inform you of any further emails I get from them.

Marm

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PostPosted: 17:47 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be interesting to see how long you can play with them before they finally decide it's a waste of time and just stop replying to you, years ago when they got pissed off they'd direct you to some bullshit .exe file or something similar as a last stand sort of tactic Laughing Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get several every day as it is, I'm sure the amount of BS emails I get every day has gone up slightly, I might just be imagining it though.
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maximum karma if you can get a picture of him balancing a fish on his head in order to prove that he is not using a made up name
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Northern Monkey wrote:
Maximum karma if you can get a picture of him balancing a fish on his head in order to prove that he is not using a made up name


I think I could have if I hadn't told him I'd sent it already.

Maybe i'll tell him I lied so that i'd get the payment sooner.
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