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Jaco
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Which foot down when stationary? Reply with quote

Good evening everyone.
So I've been riding on my CBT for a year and a half now; I'm waiting until next month when I turn 19 and can start going for my A2. After reading through some of the threads on BCF I decided to book myself in for my A1 Mod1 on the Vara just so I had prior experience of the Mod1 test before trying it on a bigger bike. I've been doing my research and I see in all videos of the Mod1 test that the pupils put down their left foot when they stop. Now, I've been riding for the last year and a half putting down my right foot at lights and whathaveyou. Now I'm a bit anxious that I might get penalised for it and I'm wondering if anybody knows if there's any rules on it or anything like that? It would be a massive help.
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right foot on brake, left foot on floor for tests.

If I was nailing it from a start, left foot hooked under ready for 2nd gear, right foot on floor.
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The point of left foot down is that the right is on the brake.
The clutch is held in, ready to move off.
Important bit is brake applied.
I believe this is the accepted way for the test.

However, if stopped for a long time (eg rail crossing) then acceptable to slip into neutral and keep front brake applied, right foot down. Then before moving off engage gear and do left foot down, keeping brake on with right foot (search for Hendon shuffle on here or Google).

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PostPosted: 23:51 - 07 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
The point of left foot down is that the right is on the brake.
The clutch is held in, ready to move off.
Important bit is brake applied.
I believe this is the accepted way for the test.

However, if stopped for a long time (eg rail crossing) then acceptable to slip into neutral and keep front brake applied, right foot down. Then before moving off engage gear and do left foot down, keeping brake on with right foot (search for Hendon shuffle on here or Google).

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Hendon Shuffle? Well I never knew there was a name to it Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scythe wrote:
map wrote:
The point of left foot down is that the right is on the brake.
The clutch is held in, ready to move off.
Important bit is brake applied.
I believe this is the accepted way for the test.

However, if stopped for a long time (eg rail crossing) then acceptable to slip into neutral and keep front brake applied, right foot down. Then before moving off engage gear and do left foot down, keeping brake on with right foot (search for Hendon shuffle on here or Google).

hth Thumbs Up


Hendon Shuffle? Well I never knew there was a name to it Laughing


Cardington Clog Dance as well.


I always have left foot down, right foot covering the rear brake.

I'll USUALLY leave it in gear with the clutch in, means that if I need to move quickly I can do, such as if I need to move out the way for ambulance, rather than fumbling with my feet to get it back into gear.

If I've filtered to the front of roadwork traffic lights that have just turned red, depending on how long the roadworks are (i.e. how long the lights are likely to last) I'll usually bang it into neutral then switch the engine off.


But always left foot down, right foot on the rear brake. PARTICULARLY ON YOUR TEST!
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PostPosted: 02:59 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My boots wear down on the right foot more. I use left foot when necessary but in the practical real world, right foot is more natural and useful to me. Younger riders use left foot as a hang over from test. Many more mature riders use right but swapping to left when appropriate. In UK camber of road often makes right foot safer. Skillful riders are often seen using either. If you've got used to either - don't change. Left foot is probably safer but right foot makes more sense in town. The intelligent rider plans for either. I'm probably 90% right but see many good riders 90% left. Being able to 'shuffle' takes practice but is useful. Becoming too rigid can make for more non intuitive riding.
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PostPosted: 03:00 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My boots wear down on the right foot more. I use left foot when necessary but in the practical real world, right foot is more natural and useful to me. Younger riders use left foot as a hang over from test. Many more mature riders use right but swapping to left when appropriate. In UK camber of road often makes right foot safer. Skillful riders are often seen using either. If you've got used to either - don't change. Left foot is probably safer but right foot makes more sense in town. The intelligent rider plans for either. I'm probably 90% right but see many good riders 90% left. Being able to 'shuffle' takes practice but is useful. Becoming too rigid can make for more non intuitive riding.
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PostPosted: 06:20 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always been left foot down, right foot covering rear brake, in gear, clutch in. Never really felt slow or tardy in the off. But as others say, it's probably left over habit from the test.
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PostPosted: 06:24 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

IAM favour right foot down for 2 reasons.

Due to camber, the centre (right) side of the road is generally higher and easier to get a good footing.

I once stopped at the side of a road, went to put my left foot down and beyond the kerb, the bank had eroded away.

If your right foots down then you can easily engage/disengage your gears without swapping feet over etc

Personally I think whichever feels most comfortable.
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PostPosted: 06:54 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Post test view from the IAM group I belong to is

Use whatever foot givers you the most stable / comfortable stop
When I was observing I would expect to see right foot down front brake hill starts if there was a nasty camber on the road and Yes i was know to arrange the route so there was !! Evil or Very Mad

For the DSA test left foot down and Hendon Shuffle

Post test use the best foot for the situation
Front brake hill starts are a skill all riders should learn it not hard

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PostPosted: 07:13 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

No point elaborating on above so I'll just say.

Do it, and get used to doing it correctly (left foot down, right foot on rear brake and keeping it in 1st) until you have passed your test so as not to pick up the habit of doing it wrong.

After test, what ever you find more comfortable.
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PostPosted: 07:36 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I Hendon Shuffle all the time. Force of habit!
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cover tyhe brake and put my other foot down.

Which foot this is depends on which side my brake lever is on.
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Advanced Riderstm plan their rides so that they never have to put either foot down. Wink
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scythe wrote:
Right foot on brake, left foot on floor for tests.

If I was nailing it from a start, left foot hooked under ready for 2nd gear, right foot on floor.


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PostPosted: 09:39 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Advanced Riderstm plan their rides so that they never have to put either foot down. Wink


Good point - come up to the lights slowly and keep moving until they change - well, that's the theory. It's surprising how long you can keep upright by adjusting in the front wheel position!

Another point is with a pillion - often both feet is safer, except for slopes obviously. Perhaps test should include some pillion work at slow speed - it's the only time most riders get any instruction anyway, and pillion riding is very different from solo.

Personally I never had any instruction - way back when, I just put in for a test, went round the block 3 times and passed! Then it was straight from a 50cc on to 1000cc if you wanted Mr. Green. Over the years I have learned myself most of what young riders now are taught! I still think some of the best instructors are found at 'the school of common sense'.
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was pulled up for this by the instructors when I was doing my DAS. I am a right foot down kind of guy. Don't ask me why but when I put my left foot down I do not feel as stable as with the right.

Wherever possible I will slow down and keep the engine ticking over just enough to crawl with both feet up so I can make a nice smooth acceleration when needed but coming to a full stop the right always goes down.

Did it throughout my test and didn't get a minor, so I guess as long as you are in full control you are okay.

Sounds a bit long winded but if I am coming to a stop on a hill for a long while I will Stop, Right foot down, Left foot kick into neutral, Both feet down, Right foot up on rear brake then quick change into 1st for move off.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was taught that it's so you can keep your brakes on until you pull away, the shuffle/clog dance is the same so you switch to front brake as you go to right foot to put it in gear, then back onto back brake before pulling away.
On level ground you should really be able to keep the front brake on and right foot down - as long as your brake light is lit you should be OK.

Having said that, if you're using this MOD1 as a taster, then just ride as you normally would and see what they say at the end - you can then decide whether to do it on the big boy bike or not.
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

having not long passed I still remember the advice I was given (told to use).

LEFT foot down on ground, RIGHT on rear brake.
(when you came to a stop you should have already gone down though the gears and so you shouldn't need to do the shuffle [ha yeah sure Rolling Eyes ])

But this only works in the world of examiners and people that have never met other drivers on the road and have the gift of seeing into the future Shocked .

So basically for a test or anything like that, left down, right on brake, avoid the shuffle
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both feet down, sitting up with hands on the tank when I know the light sequence.

If not then either foot down has their advantage but whatever is most comfortable for you. I'd lean towards left foot down and right on brake.
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Left foot down for me purely on the basis that it feels more comfortable for me and therefore more stable.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Left down and clutch in if I know I'll be moving off soon, otherwise kick it into neutral and both feet down.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got an old crush injury - so for me its both feet down, watch the lights, then just as they are about to change in my favour I'll use the right foot to hold the back brake at the last minute (if on an incline or hill). Either that or I'll drag the clutch as I let out the front brake.

Works for me.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 08 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the 70's before I passed my test I used to right foot down due to the fact that the old British bikes had the gears on the right. Having recently passed my test (never passed back then as the limit was a 250 for a learner) I had to get out of the habit of right foot down and make sure I had my left foot down for the tests. since passing I use whichever is required for the circumstances.
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