Moving to the UK.

[Dave70]

Well, after almost fourteen years living on the Isle of Man, my life here is coming to an end very shortly and I'll be moving back to the UK (St. Helens by the look of things).

So, I have a couple or so questions that I hope some of you kind and knowledgeable folks here will be able to help me with.

I'll be bringing my bike over (obviously) and as I understand it, new bikes do not require and MOT in their first three years? Would this still be the case with mine, with it being brought into the UK ( it'll be two years old in August btw) or would this differ, as it won't have been registered in the UK previously? It may sound a stupid question but, there is no such thing as an MOT here, or any sort of equivalent, so haven't the foggiest idea as to how it works.

Also, with regards to road tax. It is currently taxed until August but, this is Manx road tax. Do I need to get it taxed in the UK immediately or is there a period of grace and will I need to have the bike UK registered to do this?

One last thing. What are some good roads for biking around that neck of the woods?

I know I can google UK gov websites and probably, eventually find the answers but, they don't appear to make the answers easily available, unless you spend ages trawling through them. I am just hoping someone here may already be clued up enough to be able to answer.

[Polarbear]

I have no idea, but a friend from Portugal is still riding his portugese plated R1 round after 4 years in the UK and as far as I know it's never seen an MOT or British tax.
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[Dave70]

[gavbriggs]

Easiest way to sort all this mess out is.........


.......not to come here in the first place! Is there a way you can stay registered in the IOM ?


I believe you have a set time to get the vehicle correctly imported and there will be some massive duty to pay no doubt. Then you will be subject to uk rules from then on.

I had a 2008 vehicle and registered it in 2012. It didn't need an mot for 3 years from date of first registration as it was new but stored. Not sure about a vehicle that has been registered abroad though. I had all the certificates of conformity etc and had to obtain the registration. Yours will be imported so I think will need a valid mot.

For the sake of it I would, and did, mot it anyway. Especially if it's never had one. Best to be sure.

[Dave70]

^^^ cheers for the reply.

Not sure how I'd be able to go about keeping it registered over here tbh.

I'll need to get it insured in the UK within two weeks. Plus, I need to get a UK licence ASAP, as my current Manx one is due to expire within days of moving across.

EDIT: I know the bike is road worthy and it has a full service history. Just wondering what the UK law is on the matter.

[gavbriggs]

I am pretty sure you will import it then have to apply normal uk procedures to it rather than treat it as new unless you can claim it is new and produce the certification to support this. Sadly the best place to try and work it all out is the Secretary of State's handicapped love child or the DVLA as he likes to call it!

[Shaft]

Admittedly it's been a while, but I've imported a few vehicles from the Channel Islands and, AFAIK, the rules are essentially the same.

I imagine you have some form of registration document, which will list date of first registration and some vehicle specific details; you will need to tell your local authority that you intend to permanently export the bike, they should issue you with an export certificate.

As a UK resident, if you want to use the bike, you will then need to immediately register the bike here (Polarbear, your mate is running on bugger's luck, if he ever does get a tug and the copper knows his/her stuff, they'll throw the book at him) which will involve our friends at the DVLA, some sort of fee and production of the previously mentioned documents.

As you'll have proof of first registration, you won't need an MOT until it's 3 years old.

I don't know if there are any VAT or import duty issues.

This might help

https://www.import-car.info/images/dftguide.pdf
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[Dave70]

Didn't know about the export stuff. My leaving here has happened quite suddenly, so I've been more concerned with finding a home and a job. Thinking about the bike has been a last minute consideration tbh.

I may have to see if I can export it via post (the documents, not the bike ) as I leave on Tuesday. That's if it is possible to do that. It'd be a pain and costly to come back to the IOM just to export it.

It appears that something so simple is once again becoming a pain thanks to government bureaucracy.

[Shaft]

[Dave70]

It'll be Monday before they're open again now. Doesn't give me much time to sort it tbh. I'll give them a call anyway and see what they say.

The silly thing is, is that the bike is totally stock, except for a tail tidy and would have probably been shipped from the UK or at least via the UK but, only registered in the IOM.

I can see this turning out to be a pain.

Thanks for the heads up though.

[Shaft]

For all the stick they get from people who only ever deal with the faceless fucktards that issue worthless bribe notices, the DVLA specialist teams can actually be really helpful.

If you can get through to the right department, there's every chance you'll be sorted out and it's worth doing, importing a vehicle without the right paperwork can make you grow old before your time.
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[shereen]

Sounds like an expensive ball ache OP - can't you sell your bike there and get a new one when you come here?? Might save on a massive wad of paperwork as well.
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[Notj7]

I went through St. Helens for the first time yesterday on the train. No offence but, why the shit would you want to go there instead of IOM that has the TT!
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[Dave70]

[chickenstrip]

I bought a bike once from a guy in Guernsey. Not sure if any of this will help, but just in case.

I had to get a certificate of conformity from Yamaha UK (it was an FZS1000) to get it UK registered. I also had to pay VAT on the sale value of the bike to HMRC (the guy I bought it from wrote a receipt, and this was used to show HMRC the value). Once I had the UK registration document, I then got tax, MOT and insurance as normal for UK vehicles. I did all this straight away after importing. I don't remember it taking all that long, 2 or 3 weeks maybe. But I didn't risk keeping the Guernsey plate on it after I'd ridden home, cos it just looked like some kind of tiny show plate and I just thought it'd be asking for a pull!

[Rogerborg]

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[Dave70]

[gavbriggs]

[chickenstrip]

Does St. Helens have anything worth a mention? Maybe the Pic Challenge will actually prove to be a challenge for him now

[sidewinder]

I'm pretty sure you will have 12mnths to get it all sorted

[gavbriggs]

It seems you will have vat to pay and a 6-8% import duty. Not sure if that's for a new vehicle though. They don't make it simple to work out do they?

If you can prove you have paid the vat on it in a member eu state then there is no vat to pay. New is defined as not older than 6months and with a mileage less that 3750 miles. So if you have a receipt for it within the last 6 months and it's less than 3750 miles and you've paid vat I can only say you've got 8% of the purchase price max to pay if it's over that then you should import as a personal import. Still need to show you have paid vat, it's type approved etc etc!

Nightmare. Ring them Monday. Worst cast is that you can come to uk and get all docs in order from there. Leave a forward address and a few quid for onward postage to landlord/new habitants of the property or redirect mail from the post office maybe.

What bike is it and how old/miles etc

[WULFSTAN]

I live in st Helens trust me don't move here
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[kestrel]

[Dave70]

Thanks for the info Kestrel.

The reasons for leaving are too many to tell. Shit happens, basically.

Thanks also for the kind words.

Already got a disc lock and chain that I use when visiting the UK.