Ride for Freedom

KingKong · Crazy Courier Joined: 03 Sep 2011 Karma :

Saw this video and thought well done to the American bikers for demonstrating their support for the Iranians/Persians who are suffering serious oppression at the hands of the fascist 'Islamic' Iranian government.

https://youtu.be/ytmrhXU39P0

Iran practically breaks the world record for human rights abuse. For a few examples visit www.seektruthandjustice.blogspot.com

Since us Brits stand against tyranny, oppression and support freedom and oppose fascism (I hope), would any one be up for a similar 'ride of support' here in the UK?[/url]
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G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

Free like America Laughing

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Freedom to have a very real big brother keep a track on you?
Freedom to be beaten by the police?
Freedom to be a slave to big business?

Or free like the countries it has helped make 'free' recently?
Where they're mostly made 'free' by bombs firstly from the Americans, then from the people that don't like them.
Of course there's the freedom to be tortured by Americans rather than your own government.
Or the freedom to have your government swapped out because the current one isn't so friendly to America?

So; no - I do not want to perform some significant faggotry* in the belief that it will show 'support' for some people in a different country.

As it goes, I suspect there's much worse, on average, going on in other parts of the world. But their skin colour is a LOT different to ours, of course.

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Shaft · World Chat Champion Joined: 27 Dec 2010 Karma :

What does a bunch of random bikers, going on a ride out to a random place, achieve?
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Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

How would a ride of support be beneficial to Iran?

CaNsA · Super Spammer Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Karma :

America in a nutshell.

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Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

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KingKong · Crazy Courier Joined: 03 Sep 2011 Karma :

Very good points, I find myself compelled to agree.

Having been an activist and human rights specialist, I figured a ride would simply raise awareness. In politics, bad publicity = pressure. The Iranian government is pulling out all the tricks in order to dupe the international community. The more they are exposed, the more 'useless' demonstrations take place the harder they'll have to work to continue duping the rest of the world.

Iran trumps china not in terms of population but by human rights violations per capita.

Also, I'd be up for a 'protest ride'/demonstration ride in support of domestic issues, such as the misuse/appropriation of UK taxes to fund their own financial/political rewards, if you're all on board? I mean, Cameron cuts public spending but sends millions of £££s to Syria. What that money could have served in UK schools/hospitals/OAPs.

Isn't it enough for evil to prevail when the good remain silent?
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nowhere.elysium · The Pork Lord Joined: 02 Mar 2009 Karma :

Yes, I'm sure that the brutally oppressed people from the benighted state of wherever will be most pleased that a bunch of relatively minted westerners are riding around on their motorbikes out of solidarity. It'll take the edge off everything right away.

Also, 'human rights specialist': citation needed. Most actual specialists are able to read around their subject enough to get a bit of contextual information together.
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Slacker24seve... · World Chat Champion Joined: 10 May 2010 Karma :

Sounds about as effective as #raisingAwareness on Twitter.

While we're on the subject why are there now so many rides of remembrance/respect/awareness for insignificant things? The big ones I understand. Raising money for the air ambulance, RNLI, RBL or whatever, that's great but more and more I see shit on my Facebook like this:

RIDE TO SOME ROADSIDE BURGER VAN

MEET IN A LIDL CAR PARK 50 MILES AWAY

RAISING AWARENESS FOR POOR LITTLE TOMMY'S GOLDFISH'S SKIN COMPLAINT. NEEDS 2 GO TO AMERICA 4 A £150000 OPERATION

£10 TO ENTER.

Fuck that I say.
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deadwolf · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 24 Jan 2013 Karma :

Ride to Iran instead.

https://www.loisontheloose.com/my-adventures/iran/
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KingKong · Crazy Courier Joined: 03 Sep 2011 Karma :

It was just an idea, regardless of how ineffective it may appear.

It is true, that there are many other methods of activism to be endorsed than a mere ride out, and as a graduate with two degrees in law and international human rights law, I write numerous news articles as a United Nations & Human Rights Correspondent, which are published by international news agencies and local papers. My sources are UN DOCUMENTS, human rights organisations and testimonies. My sources are therefor credible enough for me to publish facts and figures.

I agree, that we should organise ride outs for all necessary causes closer to home as well. All the campaigns that require urgent attention & action.

A mere ride out that has been organised would also receive the necessary media attention, which in effect would make some impact no matter how miniscule. The protests this country has seen in the past should not be halted simply if it appeared to not have 'worked' the first few runs. Civil disobedience during the civil rights struggle in America took more than a few occasions to penetrate the racist culture.

Nevertheless, I take on board all the constructive comments posted in this thread and treat it with the spirit of insight it was intended; and apologise for having wasted your time.

Happy riding and stay safe Thumbs Up

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deadwolf · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 24 Jan 2013 Karma :

Buddy, you can write all you want but when was the last time you actually made a difference in the country/whatever you care so much about?

If you're so concerned about Iran's hard luck, how bout going down there yourself and seeing it firsthand, as opposed to getting all your info from secondary research.

Right now you just sound like a guy barging into a cave full of armed Taliban insurgents waving your pieces of paper around as if they mean anything. Ooh ahh lookit me with muh fancy articles and UN reports full of words that people in the countries the reports are about can't even understand because instead of actively trying to bring them to that level of understanding we'll just sit in some nice offices and write about how shite the world is.

If I really wanted to make an impact I would sell my Harley/overpriced icon of American excess and use the proceeds for charitable ends. You want fucking solidarity, deprive yourself of your fancy expensive toy and maybe you might learn how deprived people actually feel.
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covent.gardens · World Clap Champion Joined: 09 Jun 2012 Karma :

I'm all for stopping the barbarism in Iran, but getting them to drop Islam will be quite a task.

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KingKong · Crazy Courier Joined: 03 Sep 2011 Karma :

For the sake of expediency I did not list all the efforts of my activism; writing is only one facet of what my campaigns have entailed. However, since this thread is not a job application form I shall save from listing all the practical efforts and their successful outcomes.

I figured this is a bike forum, I thought a ride out might be another one of the multi-faceted efforts that you may have been interested in. My regrets that I was wrong; thank you nevertheless for your initial constructive & relevant responses.

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Teflon-Mike · tl;dr Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Karma :

There are about half a million motorcyclists in the UK. (half of them riding sub 125cc machines, most of them on L-Plates)
Politically we are a non entity.
Our own 'representative bodies', MAG, BMF, ACU etc struggle to make any significant impact when it comes to campaigning or practically lobbying for causes specifically in the interests of bikers.....

Do you REALLY think that a few hundred bikers taking to the roads is going to 'raise awareness' of... well... ANYTHING?

Last time that happened, (circa 2012 the MAG mass ride-outs against proposed EU type-Approval lawd) only headlines that were generated was how many motorcyclists got ticketed by the police!

WHICH ought to be the lesson from the US Ride for Freedom.... where the entire event was brought into utter disrepute from all the You-Tube footage of idiots show-boating for the i-phones trying to emulate Byker-Boys, and the bunch of Sons of anarchy wannabees chasing down and beating up an SUV driver!

Yeah! GREAT publicity that!
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owl10 · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 09 Apr 2010 Karma :

I'm happy to ride out showing my support of the Iranian peoples decision to overthrow a monarchy and vote for an Islamic republic. If that's the intent?

I'd really also like to show my support for Assad at the same time, though by the looks of things hes doing okay anyways, still good to see the right side emerging on top for a change.
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owl10 · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 09 Apr 2010 Karma :

I'm happy to ride out showing my support of the Iranian peoples decision to overthrow a monarchy and vote for an Islamic republic. If that's the intent?

I'd really also like to show my support for Assad at the same time, though by the looks of things hes doing okay anyways, still good to see the right side emerging on top for a change.
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