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AngelGrinder
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: New car problems (Ford Focus Diesel) Reply with quote

Hey all, trying to decide what to do with this car...

Bought it at auction last week for £1700 + £180 auction fees (robbing bastards).

Car is a 2006 1.6 TDCI diesel focus with 100k on the clock, cambelt done less than 1k ago.

Took it home, and then a day later took it out for a drive and the car is going into limp mode. The auction place has a strict no returns policy, the risk of buying at auction I guess.

Here's a link to a forum where I've asked for help and outlined the problems I've found;

https://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/topic/56801-new-car-tdci-problems/#entry365364


So, my problem now is, I've spent about £2,050 in total, and it's still not fixed. Going through the engine it seems the last owners tried a few things and it's not fixed, and probably got fed up and chucked it at the auction, and waited for a certain mug to come buy it.

The garages I've spoken to are giving no conclusive answers, even giving me things such as 'try changing the glow plugs' etc, but it's more money for something which may not fix it.

The next thing on my list to try is the turbo boost solenoid, which is another £60-70.

Anyone on here can advise anything or have any experience with these? I can keep spending on it and hope it fixes it....

Or, do I take it to auction and try and re sell it? Unfortunately the auction want £180 fees from me again if it sells....at what point shall I cut my losses and try and sell? Is it worth selling privately and honestly, or just stitching some other poor mug up at the auction?

WWBCFD?

Thanks for reading!
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you not have a reader? That should tell you a direct fault. The 05 Focus in my garden right now shows cyl 4 has issues, which it does indeed... hopefully it may narrow yours down.

If you are ever near Maidstone and need a an OBD2 reader and laptop you can come grab one of mine, just post it back nicely Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Do you not have a reader? That should tell you a direct fault. The 05 Focus in my garden right now shows cyl 4 has issues, which it does indeed... hopefully it may narrow yours down.

If you are ever near Maidstone and need a an OBD2 reader and laptop you can come grab one of mine, just post it back nicely Laughing


I plugged it in Friday and got fault code P0238 'Turbo/Boost Sensor 'A' Curcuit high input'. I changed the boost sensor but no luck, the wiring to it all looks good. Boost control solenoid is my next try, also got a motor electrician going to have a look over it Thursday.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Various forums are saying boost control valve and/or wiring associated to it.
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

This code can be set due to alot of things, but the most common is the variable vanes sticking in the turbo. These engines are french=shit. Mad
Sometimes you can remove the turbo and pull the vanes apart and clean them with good results, or replace the turbo.
When the boost pressure sensor senses overboost it goes into limp mode to protect it, which is why as soon as you turn it off and on again its fine until you ask for boost at 3krpm.
This is a dirty engine, the service intervals are too long and they sludge up and block the strainer for the turbo.

https://www.btnturbo.com/bulletins/Btn_bulletin_DS089.pdf
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nb wrote:
This code can be set due to alot of things, but the most common is the variable vanes sticking in the turbo. These engines are french=shit. Mad
Sometimes you can remove the turbo and pull the vanes apart and clean them with good results, or replace the turbo.
When the boost pressure sensor senses overboost it goes into limp mode to protect it, which is why as soon as you turn it off and on again its fine until you ask for boost at 3krpm.
This is a dirty engine, the service intervals are too long and they sludge up and block the strainer for the turbo.

https://www.btnturbo.com/bulletins/Btn_bulletin_DS089.pdf


Thanks for that, I know the focus comes in low power, and the 110bhp versions, mines the low power one, not sure if it has the variable vanes still?

Do you think I would be wasting my time to do the boost control solenoid?

I've got an electrician going over it Thursday am to see if theres any electrical problems he can find.

Did you see the picture I posted on the ford forum? I'm trying to find out what the sensor is that has a broken cable on it. I will get that fixed on Thursday aswell just incase.

French bastards, unfortunately I didn't realise it was a pug engine until too late!
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you make out the broken wire colours?
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 90bhp 1.6tdci doesn't have the variable vane turbo.
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 20 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off, you paid way over the odds for that at auction, you could have had one from a used car seller or private for that!

Secondly, we had the same kind of problems with our 93K 2005 1.6TDCi and got so fed up with chucking money at it that we traded it in in the end.

Smoking heavily, using loads of fuel, engine management light, limp home modes and absolutely no fucker could work out what was wrong with it.

Injector seals, DPF sensors, turbo seals, head gasket, intercooler pipework, the last straw was "change the DPF" which is actually a service item (at 70k) and about £500 for a genuine one.

30% of what we paid for the car, not fucking likely!

From asking around it seems a fair few fleet companies get rid of them before this 70K service is due as it's about £900 to have done. Unfortunately it seems we landed one of these cars. Wish we'd known beforehand!

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PostPosted: 17:31 - 23 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes you really need to know when to walk away, once those focus and mondeo tdci's start going wrong there's usually only one end for them. Next time you buy a car just do a little research on google-if you'd just typed in focus 1.6tdci problems into google you probably wouldn't have bought one. I once worked for a hire company who had a fleet of these and once the main dealer warranty had run out they went off to auction-bit of a dead giveaway really!
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