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Moxey
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: NTV 600/650 and Transalps Reply with quote

Well I've already received my settlement for the accident so I guess time to go shopping for transport to get me mobile until I start my permanent job in September (be used mostly for commuting & some rallies).

So basically how do people rate NTV's? Is the 650 is worth it over the 600 and any niggles in general of the range?

Found a few for £500-£900 that I would consider, in addition to some dreamers wanting £1200 for 55k mile machines.

Transalps are also on the cards but seem to demand more £ also considering the Bros' or whatever they are called but was leaning towards the shafties.
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

NTV650 has been around for ages so a proven bike.
Evolved into the NT650V Deauville when Honda realised NTV650 owners were putting fairings on them and going touring.

I'd have one, going for the 650 because of availability/parts. If that's any sort of recommendation.

The Transalp XL650V (600 before that) and 700 use the same engine as the corresponding Deauville model. Chain drive. Appeals to a different market and sits between the Varadero 125 and 1000 models. I wouldn't consider it a truly serious off road bike though (others may disagree).

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PostPosted: 11:15 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had myself a 2005 nt650v deauville, and found it a great bike.
Obviously nothing like a sports bike, but still found it maneuverable and felt lighter than it was.
Also still fairly easy to filter with, unless you get the extra wide panniers.

Loved the shaft drive aswell, so no bloody chain lubing required.

She took both myself and the other half with no problems at all, and neither of us you'd classify as small.

If you can find one with the hand and leg wind deflectors, they are a god send. Even in freezing weather your hands stay relatively warm and out of the cold air.

Did find when buying and selling that they seem to keep value well.
Sold mine with 50,000 miles for £1500.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bros 400 is a great little bike, amazing build quality and handling, small tank range though.

Transalp is also pretty decent, if a bit agricultural. The seat is a bit hard for long journeys, and it's pretty tall so scary if you're a shortarse. I'm 5'10" with fairly long legs and I was on tiptoes, dropped it once due to a slope on the road surface. I found it very good for roads full of potholes, the suspension just soaks them up.
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all Karma

Well found this example in P'boro (bit far from me but the price is reasonable, may try to work down to £450), but I'm willing to wait and see what comes up.

https://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/honda-ntv-600-revere-tt-untill-sept-runs-and-rides-great-550/1063708185#photo-content

Had a little look at an old post from Sickpup and the Bros does seem a possible choice for what I need although the 400 only saves on the tax really with equal running cost to the 650, seem pretty uncommon though.

Still think the Revere is more suited to how I ride.
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been looking at dominators which is basically the NTV 650 and they hold their prices really well in Spain.

Pain in the arse

Edit. I've clearly got this mixed up.


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PostPosted: 12:22 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty sure Itchy rode across Eurasia (or somewhere) on a NTV650. He might have had to fit a larger tank.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If youve read Sickpups views then you'll be aware that the BROS and NTV are similar only in engine configuration and badge.

An NTV is a naked Deauville. A BROS is an NSR250 based V-twinned bike. Completely different in many respects, the main one for me being physical size!

I'm 5"7 and would find the BROS cramped after a while. It also has a small tank. On the 650 this meant stopping about every 110-130 miles, and that was getting to the limits. On the plus side with the right tyres it just gripped and gripped and was amazing fun. Would love another one myself.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Irezumi aka Reuben yeah I'm aware of the differences, personally would have a Bros 400/650 as a second bike but not a main runner which is why I'm after a NTV for the economy and reliability (plus if the deauvilles still in production = spares availability) Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you not aim for something a bit newer with more £££ added?

I've never really thought about going low end after an insurance claim... its a chance to upgrade Thumbs Up
If you do buy the NTV... I have plenty of stuff in the garden to rebuild one Laughing Nemo does anyway
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Can you not aim for something a bit newer with more £££ added?

I've never really thought about going low end after an insurance claim... its a chance to upgrade Thumbs Up
If you do buy the NTV... I have plenty of stuff in the garden to rebuild one Laughing Nemo does anyway


Probably could but no interest really, I like older bikes, hell earlier I was perusing an XJ 750 but a little too old and thirsty from reports.

I have pretty boring tastes when it comes to a road bike, low maintenance, retro naked aesthetic, cheap to run, 40-70 bhp.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Other options that share the same or similar engine are the 750cc Africa Twin, the PC800 Pacific coast and the older but imo better VT500E with that lovely 6th (overdrive) gear that was missing on the 650 cc bikes. The Bros/Hawk 650 are also excellent great handling lightweight bikes but are not suitable for taller riders.
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/honda-bros-excellent-condition/1063949186#photo-content

Get yer funds together and, after it hasn't sold at £950, offer £700 Wink

That is a very nice example.

I'll pick it up for you if it's too far Thumbs Up

Better hurry up before sickpup sees it Wink Very Happy
Looks like a Hawk to me, the Bros was slightly different and the better bike.
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:


Whats that? A yankee Bros? Imported? It's in bloomin good nick whatever. Shocked
It is in bloody good nick and the price is good but if it is a Bros it will have the close ratio box and the meatier forks that the Hawk did not have, then again it is not easy to tell from the pic but the earlier Bros had a slightly different side panel/tailpiece combo as far as I can see from the pic. The earlier model bros had the sidepanels extended up to the tank which this does not have (aka Hawk)
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moxey wrote:
Paddy. wrote:
Can you not aim for something a bit newer with more £££ added?

I've never really thought about going low end after an insurance claim... its a chance to upgrade Thumbs Up
If you do buy the NTV... I have plenty of stuff in the garden to rebuild one Laughing Nemo does anyway


Probably could but no interest really, I like older bikes, hell earlier I was perusing an XJ 750 but a little too old and thirsty from reports.



Go back and peruse that XJ750 again and give it some serious consideration, they are cracking bikes.
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The NTV make sure the gears are fine before buying.
The others be sure the output shaft splines are good before buying.
If only Honda made the end of that shaft like say the super four.
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy Blake wrote:
The NTV make sure the gears are fine before buying.
The others be sure the output shaft splines are good before buying.
If only Honda made the end of that shaft like say the super four.
The NTV is a shaft driven bike not chain driven.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonzoomer wrote:
Paddy Blake wrote:
The NTV make sure the gears are fine before buying.
The others be sure the output shaft splines are good before buying.
If only Honda made the end of that shaft like say the super four.
The NTV is a shaft driven bike not chain driven.


Read it again.
What I mean is the gearbox.
First and second gear.


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PostPosted: 22:45 - 22 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
Shaft wrote:


Go back and peruse that XJ750 again and give it some serious consideration, they are cracking bikes.


Bit ugly tho Wink Very Happy


Meh, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I think my Seca was a thousand times better looking than the Kwak GT750, which was the direct competition.

In fact, if I found somebody that wanted to swap a Seca in similar condition to my Katana, I'd beat a path to their door.
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 23 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

That BROS is very tempting!
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PostPosted: 06:32 - 23 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/honda-bros-excellent-condition/1063949186#photo-content

Get yer funds together and, after it hasn't sold at £950, offer £700 Wink

That is a very nice example.

I'll pick it up for you if it's too far Thumbs Up

Better hurry up before sickpup sees it Wink Very Happy


You've got me seriously tempted for that Vince, if you could pick it up that would be legendary.

I'll PM you Thumbs Up

As for the XJ I think that'll be the back up if I don't get this, wary as its 10 year older than my VFR Shocked
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