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I finish my BEng this year with the OU, I'm looking to do the MEng, apply for membership of the IET and maybe go for CEng later on.
The MEng will take 2 years and cost just over £6500 - I have 4 years to do it and can't afford it myself.
So I asked work. They said they'd pay for IET membership for me ongoing but wanted justification for the MEng.
So now I've got to write something that explains the benefits of having an MEng qualified engineer in the company.
The Open degrees are very variable, I can choose whichever modules I like really - 2 of the 4 I'm looking at are in a related field to my job but are WAAAAY higher level than I would ever need, they won't really benefit my current position at all as far as I can see. One other is a filler and the final one is compulsory.
I'm doing it for personal goal reasons, I don't really expect it to help my career all that much, I'm happy in my job etc. Will look to move to a more managerial position in the next 5, 6, 10 years or so, but not that fussed.
So, help me out, what do I write? How does a technology company benefit from having an MEng and potentially CEng engineer working for them?
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I suspect what they're really asking is "Why should we pay for you to get qualifications that you'll use to get a better job elsewhere, when we can recruit a qualified person that some other suckers have paid for?"
It's a pretty good question. It's not like there are many jobs for life these days.
Have you considered marrying the boss's daughter (or son)? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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As part of my job I interview a lot of people. Recently we had 150+ applicants for a job that did not need a degree. How do you eliminate all but six of those applicants to give a short list? All CVs without a degree went into the bin.
This is the harsh truth of the job market  ____________________ Bikers make great organ donors, get 115 on your licence today. |
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Degrees just show someone (prospective / current employers) that you show dedication to something. Sticking and passing a course shows maturity in an applicant.
I have a degree in Teaching Further Education, but this had absolutely no baring on getting the job I have now and is not related to my present job. I am an engineering project manager for a German company operating in China, which I do as a freelancer.
Just find reasons right now, like everyone else has said, how your company can benefit from you qualification. Some companies might try to tie you into a contract so they get their money's worth from you, but that's not such a bad thing. Good luck  |
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Eventually you can get paid to study. I'm applying for a D Phil which has a very appealing wage. (Of course, I'm not in it for the money ) |
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I've been paid to study since I left school  ____________________ Trev, now a biker?
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| tbourner wrote: | Well lots of talk of how it may or may not help to get a job - but I don't want a job, I've got one of them, I just need to convince that job that it's a great idea for them!
So basically it's a case of stating what modules I'm taking, linking that to the work the company do and not mentioning my own huge pay rises and promotions.
What about CEng? Is it worth pushing chartered status as an eventual goal which requires the MEng first? I see chartered status as being a better thing for a company i.e.: they can claim a number of chartered employees. |
To be Chartered would put you in a select few who know their topic and could advise the company how to design their next (whatever that is). Your Master's has to help your job or anything else in the job, if you learn to a higher level than what you need, it will help you understand what you do deeper, enabling you to improve processes, streamline etc (they love words like that).
You'd have to obviously tell them you'll work for at least 5 years or something.
I did an MChem and now not far off finishing a PhD. Having the PhD shows I can manage projects independently, learn new stuff and design experiments to further the field.
In a job, it'll be - oh he might be able to help us design a better dye, for example. ____________________ I'm Sam; Northern, Ginger, Lover
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My work is paying for my BEng with the OU. My justification was similar to the above, highlighting why each module was useful to the company, etc.
Also you don't need a masters to become chartered. We have 4 or 5 and I don't think any of them have a masters. ____________________ Current Bikes:Honda 929RR Fireblade, Honda CD200 Benly (Project), Stomp Z2 140
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It would be another 4 years of getting smashed and fucking bitches. Two of my favourite things.  |
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| Hetzer wrote: | Am I the only one who sees all this for the bollocks it is? Of 'value' to a company? Letters after an employee's name?
Some bloke who's been shown how to operate a lathe, the types of metal, rotational speed, cooling fluid, cutter type and blah blah blah...he can actually then make something that can be sold.
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Some bloke who's written a bunch of guff and is given letters after his name but can barely make a cup of coffee in the real world.
A degree is little more than a token that says "This guy is able to sit down, arrange and organize data and present it in written form. He's able to concentrate and has the self-discipline to waste time on bollocks".
I'm generalizing of course because a percentage (very small) of degree-holders also learn how to do actual real shit. A tiny minority. |
I dont disagree with you at all.
The only reason I am bothering, is because I see so many jumped up, little upstarts, sailing passed me in the promotion stakes.
I have a lot more experience in my field and more life experience generally , but these kids come in and within 6 months, they're on an express elevator to the top and Im still trudging up the stairs!!
Its more necessity than desire and as Ariel Badger said earlier, when there are so many candidates for each job, they just bin off the ones without degrees.
Sad but true!  |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 12 years, 166 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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