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 Posted: 14:26 - 02 Jun 2014  Post subject: Re: what bike? |
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| SpuceLee wrote: | I love the stylings of Bonnevilles and 'classic' bikes.
I'm not very mechanically minded... and I want to spend about two grand, what do you suggest? |
Become mechanically minded or save up more pennies.
Bonnies and the W650/W800 retain their value, which means you'll be looking at old or high mileage, which means you'll be spannering or spending.
Sadly, there's no magical answer to "Where do I find a really cheap low mileage newish example of a reliable, popular bike?"
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Try XBR500 or SR500. Cheap, old, easy to work on and fun. 
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What's so special about it? 
All I can see is ancient frame with ancient engine on overpriced suspension and wheels with one of the most expensive brakes on the market. It looks cool but it does not have the value.
I think if you got the classic commando you'd be way happier with it + it wouldn't cost you fortune. Then you can fit modern suspension, brakes and wheels on it and you'd get quite the same thing for far less money. You can actually get those parts quite cheap from crashed bikes, that's what I see there.
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Great suggestions, but only twats ride BMWs though. 
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| SpuceLee wrote: | | RhynoCZ wrote: | Try XBR500 or SR500. Cheap, old, easy to work on and fun. |
cheers, not so sure about the xbr500 though...looks a bit like a toilet bowl on wheels |
Yeah it's a fairly f'ugly old thing, the xbr. Especially with those hideously inelegant 3 piece '80s comstars which are about as out of keeping with the elaborately laced rims of classic brit iron as it's possible to get. Why Honda, why?!?!? However, painfully missed styling cues aside, this half litre thumper is a tough, bomb-proof old bastard that's still held in comparatively high regard. Also, if you were to look at one stood alongside the 'new' Enfield Continental cafe job it would not take very long to realise just how shite the latter is. Then, add in some price tags (5k for the Enfield, 2.5k for a decent used xbr), and suddenly the toilet bowl starts to seem a LOT more inviting imo.
But don't forget there's also the GB500 - this looks much better than the toilet bowl. It is a fair bit rarer though iirc.
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What's so special about it?
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Just Look at it!!
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| hmmmnz wrote: | | Rogerborg wrote: | Great suggestions, but only twats ride BMWs though. |
are you not riding a bmw? |
Yes, and I'm writing this reply on my phone while holding up the traffic at the lights, because see my earlier statement. 
I'd never actually considered an older model, but I'm now thinking that I should chop my GS in for one before it has a CANBUS tantrum. 
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| Knacker wrote: | | RhynoCZ wrote: | What's so special about it?
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Just Look at it!! |
It looks good but it should be more than an 70's and maybe even earlier technology with some very, very expensive brand new parts. 
MCN (2009) had stated, the price was £15,995 for 79 bhp in a 188 kg bike. My point is, do you really need to pay that much for fully adjustable Öhlins suspension and Brembo monoblock calipers with 320mm discs on something that barely does 100mph?
Every european producer seems to go this way with such a motorcycles. If they used for example Showa suspension, does not even have to be adjustable on every single type of motorcycle, and if they used Nissin or even Tokico brakes, bikes would have been way cheaper. Most of us can't even ajdust the suspension right. Also, we can't fully appreciate the potential of very expensive race spec suspension or brakes, wheels, materials and so on. Especialy, when you've got all those things on a ''retro'' 100mph or so motorcycle.
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With the Norton you are paying for the brand name, the parts, the heritage and the knowledge that you are supporting the British bike industry. They only churn out a couple of hundred bikes a year (all of which hand built by a very small number of people) and at least 85% of parts that make them are locally sourced, locally made products. They are making a big point in their advertising as being British sourced, British built bikes. This therefore limits parts options and doesn't come cheap.
Essentially you are paying for a far more intimate motorbike company who will happily take your calls and show you around their pristine premises. They know their bikes inside out and back to front. Like anything a bit different - you pay a premium.
Try phoning up BMW and asking for a jolly around their production line, a cuppa, a chat about their bikes and a chance to meet their racers such as Michael Dunlop. It simply wouldn't happen. Norton however is an entirely different kettle of fish where all of the above could and does happen regularly. It's more of an intimate company and that's why you've got the high price tag. Plus they aren't churned out two a penny and won't be as common a sight on the roads.
The appeal of the Norton is that it doesn't change every two minutes to look like the new kid on the block or match their technology. I like that. It's nostalgic. So the appeal is in the fact that it has older styling suspension etc. Would I own one ... Probably not. But then again I don't have that sort of pocket change to play with 
Horses for courses I guess. I can understand why someone would fork out that sort of money for one and there is a waiting list for them so they evidently have a decent appeal to other people as well at their current price.
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| Karlbristol wrote: | With the Norton you are paying for the brand name, the parts, the heritage and the knowledge that you are supporting the British bike industry. They only churn out a couple of hundred bikes a year (all of which hand built by a very small number of people) and at least 85% of parts that make them are locally sourced, locally made products. They are making a big point in their advertising as being British sourced, British built bikes. This therefore limits parts options and doesn't come cheap.
Essentially you are paying for a far more intimate motorbike company who will happily take your calls and show you around their pristine premises. They know their bikes inside out and back to front. Like anything a bit different - you pay a premium.
Try phoning up BMW and asking for a jolly around their production line, a cuppa, a chat about their bikes and a chance to meet their racers such as Michael Dunlop. It simply wouldn't happen. Norton however is an entirely different kettle of fish where all of the above could and does happen regularly. It's more of an intimate company and that's why you've got the high price tag. Plus they aren't churned out two a penny and won't be as common a sight on the roads.
The appeal of the Norton is that it doesn't change every two minutes to look like the new kid on the block or match their technology. I like that. It's nostalgic. So the appeal is in the fact that it has older styling suspension etc. Would I own one ... Probably not. But then again I don't have that sort of pocket change to play with
Horses for courses I guess. I can understand why someone would fork out that sort of money for one and there is a waiting list for them so they evidently have a decent appeal to other people as well at their current price. |
I get it, you are a proud patriot.
But, 85% of parts are from UK? I can see Swedish suspension, Italian brakes, BST wheels from South Africa, I guess, and so on. 
All that UK bike made by UK people from UK parts sounds like another company that only sucks money from the government hiding behind the legacy and successes from 30 to 50 years ago. Jawa does that since the Velvet revolution (1989). Their ''top'' bike is Jawa 650/660, 5100 GBP, both 35kw (A2 friendly, 650 was the first generation).
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