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PostPosted: 11:26 - 05 Jun 2014    Post subject: Non IET Accredited MSc - Is this a problem? Reply with quote

Hello All,

Just seeking some advice re masters course which I am planning to do starting this year.

University I want to apply for are doing MSc Engineering Management which I find quite interesting. However the problem is that the course is not IET Accredited.

So naturally I thought you lovely folks may be able to help me out with your real world experiences.

I contacted the programme leader re this issue and he tells me "We are planning to seek accreditation in the next round,
hopefully this would then be backdated to cover the 2014 intake."
Can this happen? or is he trying get me to enrol? (carrot on a stick situation?)

If I still go for the course knowing it will not be Accredited, will this effect my prospects for getting chartered (CEng) status in the future?

They do offer other similar course which are accredited, should I go for that instead?

TL:DR: The biggest question in my mind. How much IET accreditation effect the path to chartered engineer? if at all?

Thank you for any help Very Happy.

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PostPosted: 12:05 - 05 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Embarassed

So I read through the other post about degrees (should have seen it earlier)... and it does answer some questions and some interesting links there.

• An accredited Bachelors degree with honours in engineering or technology,
plus either an appropriate Masters degree or Engineering Doctorate (EngD)
accredited by a professional engineering institution, or appropriate further learning to Masters level*; [UK-SPEC UK STANDARD FOR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING COMPETENCE Page. 30]

Does this say non-accredited "appropriate further learning to masters level" is also okay?
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 05 Jun 2014    Post subject: Re: Non IET Accredited MSc - Is this a problem? Reply with quote

R_Josh wrote:


I contacted the programme leader re this issue and he tells me "We are planning to seek accreditation in the next round,
hopefully this would then be backdated to cover the 2014 intake."
Can this happen? or is he trying get me to enrol? (carrot on a stick situation?)

If I still go for the course knowing it will not be Accredited, will this effect my prospects for getting chartered (CEng) status in the future?


I would be very surprised if they could back date accreditation but then they can call someone chartered who has an MEng + 3 years experience so it wouldn't surprise me - the whole thing is a farce imo. (for me... it has to be proven over a much longer period).

No, it will not effect your ability to get chartered - the only advantage of an accredited degree vs a non-accredited degree is that it is easier to apply for chartership as there are no questions in relation to whether you satisfy the educational requirement for the C.Eng status. Check if your degree is affiliated with anyone else at the ECUK website.

Unless there is any real advantage for going for this particular course at this particular university, I would find one that is affiliated with the engineering institation that you want to join. Just for ease of applying when you want to become CEng.
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 05 Jun 2014    Post subject: Re: Non IET Accredited MSc - Is this a problem? Reply with quote

instigator wrote:

Unless there is any real advantage for going for this particular course at this particular university, I would find one that is affiliated with the engineering institation that you want to join. Just for ease of applying when you want to become CEng.


The only advantage of doing the course at this university is that I get 50% scholarship and another £700 funding towards the fee as I am currently working for the university.

My bachelors degree is IET accredited.

They have two courses which I am interested in; MSc Electronic Engineering and MSc Engineering Management. I am thinking that Engineering management will help in finding a job and carrying out the said job with more confidently. The former is accredited and latter is now running for the first time this year and so not accredited. However, the programme keeps telling the students that the course will be accredited.
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 05 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Out of those 2, I would strongly vote for the more technical electronics engineering degree. Project management (which is effectively what you would get into with such an MSc) is a vastly over subscribed field whereby most people with a Prince2 / PMP qualification will be at the same level as you unless you get a very specific employer/role who specifically requests an engineering management degree. All engineering managers I have met do not posess such a degree but are instead engineers who have worked their way up. And they know what they are talking about which helps.

I'd vote do the electronics.... then do Prince2 or something after if you want to go down that route. I reckon the technical degree will work more in your favour. And at least it is guaranteed accredited. The programme might keep bashing on about how the management course will become accredited but I would exercise the 'Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear' approach on this one, particularly when it's coming from an educational establishment who wants your money. They'll promise you the earth to get you to sign up.

Just my 2 Penny Coin 's worth of course - take in the advice of many others before you make the decision - it's one you mustn't make too quickly!±
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 05 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the information. I definitely need to re think my options.
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 05 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also bear in mind you don't have to have a Masters to be chartered.

"Appropriate learning to a masters level" is fine. A few years working on projects as an Engineer would qualify you for this fine.

It's not all about "getting chartered". Being chartered isn't ever going to be the one thing that gets you a job. Companies look at what you can do and your experience at work, not if you're chartered or not.

(Bear in mind I am specifically talking about engineering and there are probably some exceptions, Civil Engineering for example.)

If you are doing this MSc specifically because you want to become chartered then maybe have a rethink...

If you're doing it because you want to learn more things then go for it!

I agree with instigator 100% about doing the technical degree rather than the management based one. The best project managers I've worked with have technical degrees.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 05 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

carvell wrote:
If you are doing this MSc specifically because you want to become chartered then maybe have a rethink...


The main reason I am doing masters is because my current employer is offering part time work (engineering work experience) while I do the masters and also because huge chunk of money that I will save from the funding and scholarship I mentioned before. I know you cant save money by spending money. For the amount of fee I will have to pay for the course, I think its definitely worth it.

I am more interested in learning rather than just thinking about a job so I think it gives me a good opportunity to study while earning some money.

Edit: Just trying to think about the best option for the long run.
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 06 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So how long does a part time masters take and how much is the full cost & actual cost to you? I ask because I am doing one via distance learning, takes between 3-5 years to complete and "only" cost £6k. Offers a lot of flexibility.
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 06 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

instigator wrote:
So how long does a part time masters take and how much is the full cost & actual cost to you? I ask because I am doing one via distance learning, takes between 3-5 years to complete and "only" cost £6k. Offers a lot of flexibility.


It would be full time masters (2 days a week) and part time work (3 days a week). The fee for the masters will cost me £1500 subtracting for all the financial help I will receive.

Edit: Full cost is £4400 IIRC.
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