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PostPosted: 12:09 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Passed! Any words of wisdom from seasoned riders? Reply with quote

I passed my test yesterday so I thought I'd ask the more experienced riders if they have any pearls of wisdom for us newly passed riders? I'm confident and enjoy riding, once I've got a few miles under my belt I'll look into some further training, advance riding kinda thing but always willing to listen to forthcoming advice in the meantime!

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PostPosted: 12:22 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The single most important thing is to keep your head up and look where you want to go.

Don't look at the things you want to avoid, look at the route you will take to avoid them. This is harder than it sounds, practice on road markings. I like to slalom through the arrows and aim for specific points when riding across "SLOW" markings.

Don't look down at your clutch, it's where it's always been.
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Words of wisdom - Just enjoy it!

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PostPosted: 12:35 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few hours with an advanced instructor will save time and many tanks of fuel.

Ride in different weather conditions.

Your bike is likely more competent than you.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Stinkwheel said, look where you're going. Just google motorcycle target fixation. Look at a bush and you'll end up in it.

Don't use your front brakes when going round a bend, back brake only (but don't be to heavy footed on your back brake either).

Don't push yourself outside of your limits to keep up with others. I'm one of the slower ones out of my group of riding mates but one of the very few who hasn't crashed yet either.

Also, congrat's on passing! Very Happy Thumbs Up What bike have you got?
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Az wrote:
As Stinkwheel said, look where you're going. Just google motorcycle target fixation. Look at a bush and you'll end up in it.

Don't use your front brakes when going round a bend, back brake only (but don't be to heavy footed on your back brake either).

Don't push yourself outside of your limits to keep up with others. I'm one of the slower ones out of my group of riding mates but one of the very few who hasn't crashed on their big bike yet either.
Careful offering advice like that to a new rider. I'd be aiming to do the braking before the corner and use steady throttle to pull you through the turn.
Then get into trail braking. Smile
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Passed! Any words of wisdom from seasoned riders?


Dont crash, dont die, have fun.

That's about it.
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can "get away with" a lot of things, but you only have to not get away with it once.

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PostPosted: 14:07 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
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Don't use your front brakes when going round a bend, back brake only (but don't be to heavy footed on your back brake either).

Still don't understand why everyone says this. Obviously you don't want to go grabbing at the front brake mid-corner, but then you don't really want to in any situation. It's better to brake mid-corner than understeer into a tree, and you can get away with using a lot more front brake than you think.


Using your front brake on a corner will stand the bike up if you've misjudged/going to quick round a bend. You don't want the bike to stand up and start heading into the opposite lane or towards the nearest bush.

Maintain a steady throttle, touch the rear brake and the bike will dip in slightly more and you've got a better chance of getting round a corner if the bikes turning/cranked over more than if it was to do the opposite and start to go upright.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Speaking of which, join the club.


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PostPosted: 15:25 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Treat every other road user as a homicidal maniac who's out to get you and you won't go far wrong!
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Still don't understand why everyone says this. Obviously you don't want to go grabbing at the front brake mid-corner, but then you don't really want to in any situation. It's better to brake mid-corner than understeer into a tree, and you can get away with using a lot more front brake than you think.


It's dangerous advice for a newbie though.

As a general rule, if you could have sat up, braked then put it back down, you'd have made it round anyway.

Using the front mid corner CAN both slow you down and tighten your line BUT if you're not experienced at balancing the steering and braking forces, the bike WILL tend to sit up.

Which leads me to useful piece of advice #2.

The handlebars are for steering with, not holding onto.

Take your weight through your feet, knees and backside when accelerating and braking. Grip the bars loosely and squeeze the control levers with your hand, don't pull on them. Push and pull on the bars to steer but keep your elbows loose and your grip relaxed. You'll get more feedback, be more balanced on the bike and suffer less fatigue.

It took me years to figure this one out. Wasn't until I found myself bench-pressing the weight of a pillion under heavy braking while trying to steer the bike that I realised I should be taking this force through my legs, not my arms.
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
Az wrote:
Don't use your front brakes when going round a bend, back brake only (but don't be to heavy footed on your back brake either).

Still don't understand why everyone says this.

Yes, you can 'get away' with braking mid-corner... IF you have road-room, IF you haven't got to much lean on, IF you have enough grip on the surface; IF the surface is even enough....

BUT, the circumstances in which you can 'probably' get away with it... if you don't want the bike to 'stand up and head into the opposite lane or nearest bush'... PROBABLY not the best thing to do anyway... haul on the brakes bike WILL try and stand up, and head exactly where you don't want it to go, more so if you are starting to target fixate on it.

Circumstances where you might 'get away with it' if you have grip to brake... you don't need to brake! So DON'T BRAKE. Use that grip to tip it in more, and get on the gas a little generate some gentle acceleration to make the bike bite and 'pull' into the bend.

It is remarkable how much brake you can use heeled over, IF you know what you are doing; BUT, far more often its a shear panic reaction, and panic snatch means you aren't likely to 'get away with it', braking reaction, making bike stand up and run wide, exact oposite of what you are trying to avoid, means you aren't likely to get away with it... and if you DO get away with it... well, you could have done something 'better', and not merely 'got away with it'.

THIS is why newbies are told not to mid-corner brake.. if they 'get away with it'... it was the wrong thing to do to begin with. And if they are told they CAN do it, can be a bit of a shock when they DONT get away with it; and never learn to do something that is probably more helpful, but less intuitive... tip in, get on the gas.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:


Wouldn't the same thing be achieved by leaning more? I don't like the idea of hoping to make a corner, if your not gonna make it scrubbing off speed gives you more time to react or if nothing else reduces the speed of impact.


You have to remember, you don't brake on every single corner, it's a last resort and this is advice for a newbie.
You'd only brake on a corner when you've misjudged them, so you've tried to lean over as much as possible (unlikely you've got the bike cranked over as much as it will lean as a newbie) and it's not getting round. You then use your back brake as a last resort in an attempt to get round.

You should also maintain a constant throttle through the corner, coming off the throttle in an attempt to slow down, will cause you to lose your line and possibly go wider.
So you're right to an extent, coming off the throttle might make the impact better but you could avoid any impact at all by just maintaining your throttle. Don't prepare to crash lol, try as hard as you can to get round the bend Thumbs Up

Read this and have a look at the section Good throttle control.
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best advice I would give is go at your own pace and let no one rush you. Safe riding. Wink
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My main thought after passing was that I was on my own, no one was looking out from behind, or telling me things over the radio.

That was for me the scary bit, and as such I took it really easy on the first few months.

The biggest thing I have really learned, and as has been said, look where you want to go, it works better than I thought it would!!!
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learn to trust your instincts would be my tip for a n00b.

A year or two back I was playing silly buggers in London and tore down into Hyde Park corner underpass at about 80mph, around 50mph over the speed limit. The underpass has a bend in the middle which at the time I was happy to fly around at that speed. That day something caused me to slow down before the bend, at the time I couldn't have put a finger on what it was, but I felt uneasy at that speed so slowed to about 50mph.

Around the bend was solid traffic in both lanes, which I managed to stop just before.

I have been in similar situations since then and now I am pretty much certain that what caught my eye that first time was the reflection on the walls of the tunnel from the brake lights of the queuing cars. It's something I make sure to look out for when playing in tunnels these days.

I guess what I am trying to say in a roundabout way is that your brain is a super processing machine and you should trust it to do it's job, you might have caught a whiff of diesel on a wet day, or spotted what looks like a damp patch under a tree, without even realising what you've seen.
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Az wrote:


You should also maintain a constant throttle through the corner, coming off the throttle in an attempt to slow down, will cause you to lose your line and possibly go wider.


Hmm Thinking.

Constant throttle in a contant radius corner perhaps.

The throttle is an anlogue control, it should be constantly moving slightly while repeating inside your head "Smooth. Smoooth. Smoooooth.". Because smooth = safe = fast.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

black and white signs as you approach a bend, generally the more white arrows on the sign the tighter the bend

when you see a sign for s bends it is usually signed showing which side the first bend is on

https://www.slimmerandfitter.com/wordpress/wp-content/images/s-bend-think.jpg

for example the above sign the first bend is to the left (yes it's obvious in that picture but not always on roads with high hedges etc.)

if moving your bike around on an uneven surface or a hill, ignition off bike in first gear clutch in, if you feel the bike moving too quickly away from you letting the clutch out will slow it/stop it

when you need to brake heavily first gently pull the lever feel the front suspension load up then fully pull the lever, doing it like that should see you never lock the front wheel in any weather or snatch it and bin it

cornering as mentioned should go, chose the position you need to be on the road, brake to the required speed, select the required gear (get the speed off with the brakes there more effective than engine braking, then block change to the required gear) then apply a constant amount of throttle to see you round the bend, ideally your aiming to have the revs at around 5-6k going into the bend and keep them there by adjusting the throttle leave accelerating out of a bend until your happy your hitting the right brake to gear point first. as a new rider your likely to be in too high a gear for a bend aswell so generally try one gear lower than the one you think you want but go steady if your on a vtwin. speed to gear your aiming for the point where when you shift down and release the clutch there's no engine braking happening but at the same time your not in too high a gear that the revs have dropped too far and it strugles to pick up it comes with practice and you'll recognise the point when you hit it
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

thomp1983 wrote:

cornering as mentioned should go, chose the position you need to be on the road, brake to the required speed, select the required gear (get the speed off with the brakes there more effective than engine braking, then block change to the required gear) then apply a constant amount of throttle to see you round the bend, ideally your aiming to have the revs at around 5-6k going into the bend and keep them there by adjusting the throttle leave accelerating out of a bend until your happy your hitting the right brake to gear point first. as a new rider your likely to be in too high a gear for a bend aswell so generally try one gear lower than the one you think you want but go steady if your on a vtwin. speed to gear your aiming for the point where when you shift down and release the clutch there's no engine braking happening but at the same time your not in too high a gear that the revs have dropped too far and it strugles to pick up it comes with practice and you'll recognise the point when you hit it


So yeah. Look where you want to go.
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 14 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

thomp1983 wrote:
cornering as mentioned should go, [Position, Speed, Gear, Acceleration]

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