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PostPosted: 12:58 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Boss tells me to break up with my girlfriend Reply with quote

Been very tired this week, feeling like a zombie at work and not being very productive. This has been due to commitments after work every single night, the girlfriend being responsible for some of them.

So my boss began telling me the other day that I should end it with her. I think the implication is obvious - "you're not being productive enough so I want you to give her the boot so you can dedicate your life to me."

That's not enough? Well, he has also been questioning my army commitments and giving me weird looks when I book time off for the army in a few months' time (all within my allotted annual time off I might add). Recently he's begun heavily implying that I should ditch the army entirely.

I don't particularly want my life to revolve around a job I might not even have in a few months. What's the best way to deal with a boss like this? He's generally a really nice guy, but I don't particularly trust everything he says, and I have no idea how empty his promises are - whether or not they're just empty platitudes to motivate me.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe just thinks if this carries on will unfortunately need to find someone else?

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PostPosted: 13:10 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boss sounds like an ass. Shouldn't be approaching it like that IMO, should be dealing with your productivity in a different way rather than giving you advice on your personal life.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
Maybe just thinks if this carries on will unfortunately need to find someone else?

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Only this week. Other than that my performance has, modesty aside, been excellent. So good that he fired someone else because I was overshadowing him so much, doing my job, his job, and more on top of that so there was no point in keeping the guy.

But then this makes me distrust him even more...
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't trust him. You could throw away all these other things in your life and then have him turn around and decide to sack you anyway.
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell him you'll dump her if he'll fill the blow job void.
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its his job to manage your work life, not your whole life. Perhaps have a quick meeting with him, apologise for the productivity slump but be firm that your commitments outside of work are basically none of his business. I've never had a boss like that but if I did I'd be very quick to politely tell him/her where the line is, and in the few cases I have been a manager I never suggested people break up with their partners or ditch the armed forces, the latter of which is a form of serving your country and therefore an honourable profession.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Start writing it all down in preparation for your unfair / constructive dismissal compo claim.
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

He has no right to snoop on your personal life.

BUT

Has he just worked out that you're coming in to work and doing fuck all because you're humping the fanny off your missus or have you dropped it in to conversation?

Would it be any different if you went in to work and did fuck all because you'd been up all night watching star trek box sets? Or drinking all night?

He wants you to come to work and do your job.


Sure, if you aren't planning to be there long carry on as you like just don't expect a reference if you move on.

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PostPosted: 17:00 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stop staying up shagging your mrs and do your work.

Stop watching TV all night, and do your work.

Stop breeding llamas all night, and do your work.

All he seems to want is for you not to go to work tired, and doing fuck all.
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

First things first,

You're not a slave, he cannot claim ownership of you outside of work hours. What you do when you are off the clock is your own business unless it severely impairs your work.

I.e. has your productivity declined or your performance reviews suffered? and when I say that I mean in writing and recorded with minutes.


Secondly NEVER EVER be loyal to a boss. You can be the most loyal person in the world but you are expendable. Japanese business men found this enmasse in the 90s and 00s. They worked long 20hour shifts day in day out often dying at their workstations.

They hit 45 and got sacked before their pensions could kick in. Your loyalty extends to the next pay cheque and that is all.

Any promises that are made or notions of rising in the company need to be in writing and witnessed by 4 different people and a solicitor, if he isn't willing to do this then he is hanging a non existent carrot in front of your face.


Benno wrote:

Only this week. Other than that my performance has, modesty aside, been excellent. So good that he fired someone else because I was overshadowing him so much, doing my job, his job, and more on top of that so there was no point in keeping the guy.

But then this makes me distrust him even more...


You made a classic mistake never ever be a tall poppy unless your industry is a creative one and requires it or you're on vest contract (that is shares in a startup) as good work is rewarded with more work and the peter principle will kick in

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
What you do when you are off the clock is your own business unless it severely impairs your work. I.e. has your productivity declined or your performance reviews suffered? and when I say that I mean in writing and recorded with minutes.

NEVER EVER be loyal to a boss. You can be the most loyal person in the world but you are expendable.

Itchy has hit the nail on the head with these points. Thumbs Up

Loyalty will very seldom be repaid in kind. Competence is useful only up to a point. If you are competent you'll be elevated to a level where you hit something you cannot handle. If you take it on, you will fail and be dinged for it. Sad

The other thing to bear in mind is that understanding this trap doesn't automatically result in escape from it. If, like a friend of mine, you are self-aware and smart enough to understand that you will fail at a certain role and therefore refuse it, you will be dinged for lack of ambition. And for not doing what they wanted you to do. Rolling Eyes

Either way you lose. Don't give 100% and be too obvious. Shift into stealth mode and only give 80%. Find a level that is comfortable and stable. Never base plans on the assumption that loyalty will be repaid.
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

J4mes wrote:
He has no right to snoop on your personal life.

BUT

Has he just worked out that you're coming in to work and doing fuck all because you're humping the fanny off your missus or have you dropped it in to conversation?

Would it be any different if you went in to work and did fuck all because you'd been up all night watching star trek box sets? Or drinking all night?

He wants you to come to work and do your job.


Sure, if you aren't planning to be there long carry on as you like just don't expect a reference if you move on.

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I hate answering all his questions, he's always asking me and I don't want to tell him anything, but he keeps pressing until he gets something. Just telling him I don't want to tell him would probably have worse consequences.

Worst thing is this coming week I'll be working on something harder than I've done yet and at the same time I'm going to need to perform better than ever

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The other thing to bear in mind is that understanding this trap doesn't automatically result in escape from it. If, like a friend of mine, you are self-aware and smart enough to understand that you will fail at a certain role and therefore refuse it, you will be dinged for lack of ambition. And for not doing what they wanted you to do. Rolling Eyes


Difficult riddle to solve. What the hell does a person do in this situation? The 80% answer seems like it could be found out at some point and have consequences for you.

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you're humping the fanny off your missus or have you dropped it in to conversation?


Like I said, his questions, he keeps asking me questions until I can't avoid them any more...he finds out what I do in the evenings eventually. He actually asked if I was autistic the other day, I'm a bit concerned about which direction his thoughts are taking.


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PostPosted: 21:51 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benno wrote:

I hate answering all his questions, he's always asking me and I don't want to tell him anything, but he keeps pressing until he gets something. Just telling him I don't want to tell him would probably have worse consequences.


Your situation reminds me of 2005/2006.

I had a boss like that well one of many bosses. Anna was one of the partners.

She would attempt to pump you for information by pretending to be pally pally with you, she would then use this information against you. I guarded against it by always being busy with my work say she's try ask me something and I'd say I had to finish XYZ couldn't chat.

She didn't like that at all, during enforced office party time (when she foolishly left her credit card behind the bar) I stayed mostly sober and would be opaque and give vague answers or answer questions with questions.

It really did her head in as there were no threats she could use against me, she'd always threaten the girls upstairs telling them how awful it would be if a mother lost her job (they were all mums) over time people left and were fired and I got lumped with their work. I left a few months later.



Your relationship sounds rather unprofessional and you're right to look for another job. Do you still have copies of your appraisals? My experience is those types give unofficial bad references over the phone which is very hard to prove (I caught Anna doing this to me). Bits of official paper mean you can refute what they say about you.
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but my appraisals so far are just printed MS word documents. Anyone could just make one of those themselves...

Your answer to the similar situation I don't think will work with me. If he feels I don't fit in he can just get rid of me. My contract says "either party has to give 28 days notice of termination" but since I'm 'employed' as a limited company providing services to his limited company I'm sure he can fuck me sideways any way he wants.
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are you telling him about your private life anyway?
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
Why are you telling him about your private life anyway?
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+1, work is work, outside of work and inside are kept completely apart unless something serious affects my work such as a close relatives death/medical problem.

You being a lazy sausage because Mrs Benno wants a few glasses of the finest Asda bubbly and some pole dancing is just... stupid.

Plan your life better. Quit crying about it. your boss is doing what bosses do, staying alive while others are sinking, if you are a drain then be prepared to be removed. It doesn't matter how good your work ethic was a few days ago, a few months ago. If they notice a change and its a change for the worse then be prepared to get scrutinised and expect some words. You can't be a saint for a few weeks then become some half arsed lazy knob because of something outside of work. Leave your shit at the door.

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PostPosted: 23:54 - 15 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Find out where your boss lives and piss through his letterbox. That'll show him Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:23 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benno wrote:
appraisals

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since I'm 'employed' as a limited company providing services to his limited company I'm sure he can fuck me sideways any way he wants.

Why is a subcontractor getting "appraisals"?

If you look like an employee and quack like an employee, a tribunal may decide that you are an employee, regardless of what any contract says.
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only reason your boss is saying anything is because it's affecting your work, so he has a legitimate reason for concern. Just like if you went out to a rave every night and came to work looking like warmed up death.

My boss occasionally enquires about my personal life too, as I work in Nottingham and do everything else in Leeds, so he knows I'm looking out for opportunities to move back.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Knock on his door.

"I've dumped the missus, she was crap in bed anyway. Oh and I've given up with that Army nonsense as well, so I can focus on my job 100% from now on".

Carry on as you are, lie about everything personal he asks.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

This sounds like the classic conversation of being pulled up on your work.

You don't like it, and you feel like you have to justify your productivity (well, lack of it)... and so blame the girl friend.

The logical answer from the boss is that you need to re-assess your work/personal life balance.

You don't like it, and post on a forum.
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benno wrote:
I hate answering all his questions, he's always asking me and I don't want to tell him anything, but he keeps pressing until he gets something.


Don't be scared to fob him off. Give your answers in a joking manner if it feels uncomfortable. Tell him (with accent) "if I tell you, I'll have to kill you..." or "sorry, classified information, need to know only" and laugh it off and walk away.

Or tell him you work on a sex line late at night to subsidise the low wages...or some other made up stuff.

Or say "is this the Spanish inquisition...?"

Or "you're a nosey bugger, aren't ya..."

Or "what's this 20 thousand ways to groom an employee?"

Answer all questions in a similar way and give him nothing to use against you...You do not have to divulge personal information, unless you signed a contract to say that you will. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 16 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Find his wife / gf name, preferably a picture ( look her up on face book maybe - just dont add her). Just get a clear image of what her name is and what she looks like etc.

Pretend to have dumped your lass and be as you are for a day or two.
Turn up to work a few days later whistling smiling etc be all cheerful and pretend to like work and be productive

He will ask whats changed - you reply you met some one ( first name of his missus - dont give 2nd your not sure yet or didnt get it)
She is awesome in bed, woke you up with a blow job, swallowed it and made you coffee and bacon buns before sending you to work.

She has to be home for unknown reasons before you get in though.

Keep this sherade going for as long as possible, the quizs will grow and so will his doubts and worries about the size of your penis as you keep telling him how you mangled this lass last night.
Drip feed him info about his own g/f wife until he dare not ask anymore Laughing Laughing

Plus its fucking funny and will make work more enjoyable....
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