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Rogue_Shadow
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: HELP: Plasterboard - Whoops :( Reply with quote

Help me almighty BCF you're my only hope Crying or Very sad

While putting up a new curtain pole this evening, I've managed to break the plasterboard fixing and make a hole the size of a 5p Sad
I guess normally I would use some filler to fill the hole & move on.
However this is the centre bracket of curtain pole, so I need to fill the hole with "something" that will hold the plug & the screw.

Can anyone recommend something that will fill the hole in the plasterboard that is strong enough to hold the screw in place.
(Foam superglue or something Confused )

While we are at it, any suggestions on plasterboard fixings?

After the fancy plasterboard plug made the hole, I used these basic looking plasterboard plugs to hold the other curtain rails Thumbs Up

https://cdn.toolstation.com/images/130125-UK/images/library/stock/webbig/35840.jpg

But I'm going to likely need something more heavy duty down the line Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: 21:58 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you have plasterboard where a curtain pole is going. All my curtains are on exterior walls.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put up a length of 2"x3/4" baton with many screws and fixings then fix the curtain pole to that. Once you add the weight of the curtains to the pole it's quite a lot for half a dozen plasterboard fixings to deal with.
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the plasterboard is reasonably close to the actual wall behind, I'd put a normal rawl plug into the wall and a long screw into that.

You can then do some cosmetic filling of the hole in the plasterboard without that repair needing to take the weight of the curtain pole.
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawakid wrote:
Why do you have plasterboard where a curtain pole is going.


New builds are plasterboard nightmares

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Put up a length of 2"x3/4" baton with many screws and fixings then fix the curtain pole to that. Once you add the weight of the curtains to the pole it's quite a lot for half a dozen plasterboard fixings to deal with.


Two plasterboard screws (like the one posted above) are holding either side of another curtain pole no problem. It's just repairing this botched one, which just so happens to be the bigger window requiring 3 brackets to support the pole.
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rawl plug deeper in wall or put a wood baton up
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the other posters have said use a wood baton, future curtains are a doddle as you are screwing in to wood.

So mount the wood batton, with quite a few of those plasterboard plugs. Or How much behind the plasterboard is the actual "real" wall.
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

This will be the heaviest set of curtains & I've already got two of the 3 brackets fitted. It's purely repairing this one hole I need help with.

Thanks for the advice on the baton, I'm planning on having a mirror cabinet so I'll definitely do that
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

depending on how heavy the cabinet is, you could use something like this

https://www.diy.com/nav/fix/nails-screws-fixings-hardware/fixings/wall_plugs___screws/-specificproducttype-interset_fixings/Rawlplug-Interset-41625-M4-x-40-9281504?skuId=9291204

I think they can hold up to 15-20kg, once there in and tight they don't budge.

Regarding the hole, you could get a tube of no nails or filler, something that dries hard squeeze loads into the hole the try replugging it.
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ignore the suggestions about using wood batons. They are old-fashioned and unsightly.
As for repairing the hole, simply fill it with a general purpose filler. Make sure that you get enough in to completely fill the cavity between the wall and the plasterboard. When it has dried you will be able to drill through it and then use a normal wall plug.
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 26 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
Ignore the suggestions about using wood batons. They are old-fashioned and unsightly.
As for repairing the hole, simply fill it with a general purpose filler. Make sure that you get enough in to completely fill the cavity between the wall and the plasterboard. When it has dried you will be able to drill through it and then use a normal wall plug.


This guy is right, although I would add, make sure the filler you buy is drillable, some stuff will crack to shit if you start drilling and hammering plugs into it.
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 26 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

duhawkz wrote:
depending on how heavy the cabinet is, you could use something like this

https://www.diy.com/nav/fix/nails-screws-fixings-hardware/fixings/wall_plugs___screws/-specificproducttype-interset_fixings/Rawlplug-Interset-41625-M4-x-40-9281504?skuId=9291204

I think they can hold up to 15-20kg, once there in and tight they don't budge.

Regarding the hole, you could get a tube of no nails or filler, something that dries hard squeeze loads into the hole the try replugging it.


This.

I have hung a lot of heavy stuff off plaster at work with these.
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 26 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

cut bit of wood to same size as hole, drill hole in wood for screw to pass through,
you are only using the wood as a spacer, paint to hide.
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 26 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

When putting up curtains on a dot-n-dab plasterboard lined wall I ignore the plasterboard, drill through into the brickwork and use a decent long rawlplug so the wall takes the weight not the plaster.

I use the fixings you've illustrated for hanging light-ish pictures, maybe a loo roll holder, but nothing with any actual weight to it.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 26 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
When putting up curtains on a dot-n-dab plasterboard lined wall I ignore the plasterboard, drill through into the brickwork and use a decent long rawlplug so the wall takes the weight not the plaster.

I use the fixings you've illustrated for hanging light-ish pictures, maybe a loo roll holder, but nothing with any actual weight to it.

Those fixings are remarkably strong and will take quite a bit of weight, especially so the metal versions. As for drilling right through the plasterboard and into the brickwork, this is something that I routinely do but if the cavity isn't filled then it is all too easy to damage the plasterwork as the fastener is tightened.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 26 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The plastic ones I've broken before simply by screwing them in. I understand there's a difference between tensile strength and shear strength etc, but it doesn't instill oodles of confidence. Also I don't really like how attempting to unscrew them usually unscrews the whole plug from the plasterboard, rather than the screw from the plug.
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 26 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a plasterboard palace I use UNO plugs by rawl.
The blue ones are exactly 8mm so you can use a 8mm tile bit to drill
the plasterboard to the perfect size using a simple cordless driver
and it will make light work of the thermalite block behind the board too.
They are very lightly splined and have a collar to prevent pushing through.
I use them all the time in my rental property and if properly installed
are very reliable. My tenants currently have about 20 coats
hanging on a set of 4 coat hooks held up by three of these.
I have also hung radiators to stud wall using the larger grey 10mm ones.

https://www.rawlplug.co.uk/en/products/970/992/1041/1797

https://www.tilegiant.co.uk/8mm-tile-and-glass-drill-bit.html
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 26 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your help everyone.

Finally settled on a plasterboard fixing rather than trying to fill the hole.

Used a "gripit" fixing
Drilled the hole slightly bigger so the the plug sat snug in the hole. Opened the wings and screwed in the bolt Thumbs Up

https://www.yourfootprint.co.uk/images/D/screwsandbolts.jpg

https://images.sdslondon.co.uk/img/upload/products/2/l_72264.jpg

Thanks everyone
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