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PostPosted: 11:33 - 24 Jun 2014    Post subject: Juries...puh. Brooks cleared of all charges. Reply with quote

How anyone could be thick enough to think that cunt was oblivious to all the hacking happening on her watch beggars belief. So it was probably nobbled.

Coulsen though, found guilty on one charge so far. No doubt he'll do a few months in some open nick and write a book about it when he comes out, for which some publisher will advance him a couple of hundred thou.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 24 Jun 2014    Post subject: Re: Juries...puh. Brooks cleared of all charges. Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
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138 days, what an amazing use of court resources.

I'm not saying that they shouldn't have been prosecuted, just that when you put CPS monkeys up against the kind of legal gorillas that the great and the good can afford, they should have kept it a lot shorter and clearer.

Maybe just throw a bucket of water over Brooks and invite the jury to draw their own conclusions. What a world, what a world.
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 24 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worse still, all the resources you and I have contributed to the court and prosecution costs, but you can bet they all had their defence costs paid by Murdoch. Makes you sick.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 24 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:13 - 24 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Jihadists have got it right, this country sucks and deserves to burn!
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 24 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

But poor Rebekah was just a silly little girl, who had no idea what was really going on and it was all big bad coulsens fault.

Ahh, the great British justice system. Doesn't it make you feel so proud.

Was anybody really surprised by this outcome?
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 24 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

She does have nice tits though.
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 24 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Jihadists have got it right, this country sucks and deserves to burn!


A strange comment from someone who's done 8 years in the forces. I don't understand that at all.
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 24 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
She does have nice tits though.


Maybe, but with the face of a bloke.
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 24 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A cnut and a wrinkly, old, ball bag photographed in close proximity!

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PostPosted: 19:13 - 24 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Tungtvann wrote:
The Jihadists have got it right, this country sucks and deserves to burn!


A strange comment from someone who's done 8 years in the forces. I don't understand that at all.


There's a few ex forces people who feel they put their life (or were ready to put their life) on the line for this country, in the belief that it stood for something good in the world, yet following more recent events they feel the powers that be led them up the garden path.

Some feel that they were actually fighting for something much more corrupt than they would have wished to. They feel they were lied to, and that they and their friends were injured/died for something other than what they were told. They feel betrayed, and I don't blame them for feeling that way.
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 24 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
She does have nice tits though.

All the better to suckle her familiars with.
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 24 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark_F wrote:

There's a few ex forces people who feel they put their life (or were ready to put their life) on the line for this country, in the belief that it stood for something good in the world, yet following more recent events they feel the powers that be led them up the garden path.

Some feel that they were actually fighting for something much more corrupt than they would have wished to. They feel they were lied to, and that they and their friends were injured/died for something other than what they were told. They feel betrayed, and I don't blame them for feeling that way.


So because they are disillusioned with how they were treated by their own they suddenly agree with indiscriminate killing of their innocent countrymen and women on and about their business? I ain't buying that, and the forces people I know, and the family I have who have served don't either. I'm pretty sure my cousin who nearly had her face burnt off in a train blast would disagree too.
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 24 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:


So because they are disillusioned with how they were treated by their own they suddenly agree with indiscriminate killing of their innocent countrymen and women on and about their business? I ain't buying that, and the forces people I know, and the family I have who have served don't either. I'm pretty sure my cousin who nearly had her face burnt off in a train blast would disagree too.


No, you have it completely wrong.

They join up (some at least) believing some of the crap about Britain being a great place that incessantly tries to make the world a better place for everyone yada yada yada. They believe the propaganda, and actually want to help make a positive difference in the world.

At some later point, they realise (their own realisation, yours may be different) that the ideals they thought they were fighting for don't exist. The things they were brought up to believe about the UK and UK foreign policy were complete bullshit, and that the country they were assisting does not have the good intentions they thought it had. Ergo they feel cheated, they feel that while they fought for the right reasons, they unintentionally assisted a more worthless cause, and many of the people they signed up to protect really do not deserve that protection (for many reasons).

They don't want the indiscriminate killing of their countrymen at all, though some really don't deserve the protections we have.

Different people have different opinions (based on different experiences and sources of information, which you believe is up to you but there is an element of truth in most things). Your cousins opinion is no more or less valid than Tungtvanns, and without complete knowledge of every miniscule detail (something no-one has), neither opinion could definitively be called out as "right" or "wrong".

I am under no illusion though that this country is full of shits, and does, at times, fight for all the wrong reasons.
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the whole phone hacking thing was blown out of proportion in the media. As far as I am aware, they didn't cause any material harm to people, nor did they hold any information that would have been useful to the police. It all came down to accessing voicemail by using the default pin code, and using the information gained to get a scoop and sell newspapers. An invasion of privacy, but once a person has become the subject of a major nationwide media story, privacy has disappeared.

It wasn't ethical, but it was hardly the crime of the century either.

What surprises me is that the various other ways information can be gathered on a person, methods used by private investigators, are still seen as acceptable. Many of those are far more intrusive and shady, and still happen.

As for some good to come out of the situation- one odious tabloid was closed (NOTW), and the other tabloids quickly learned that they also need to be a bit careful. The phrase "too big to fail" only applies to banks.

Murdoch's empire will slowly shrink. See who still wants to pay for news or other media in a decade.
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark has it bang on, but I'll put some of it into my own words.

I never joined the military for ideological reasons, it was a job and looked like I'd have fun doing it. It's still a job but I'm no longer having so much fun doing it. It's nothing to do with the way I've been treated at all, I signed up, I don't feel bitter for my experiences, it's on a grander scale than me.

I think some jihadists may be right that this country is sometimes morally bankrupt. I don't want an Islamic caliphate under sharia law, nor do I advocate the killing of innocent civilians. I'd still fight for, and put my life on the line for that. But please tell me when that's ever been our job? We've been fighting bullshit wars, for bullshit politicians in bullshit countries. See how Iraq turned out? Wasn't worth a single British life. I think Afghanistan will turn to a similar shit sandwich within a few years.

I feel that certain people in our country can do whatever the hell they like, if you've got the money, you're untouchable. Joe Public better stay in line though, he'll go to prison for years for not paying his taxes! I don't need to labour the point about our justice system further.

So I made an OTT comment about this country burning, I think most people got the exaggeration, but understood my sentiment and the angle I was coming from.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
...As far as I am aware, they didn't cause any material harm to people...came down to accessing voicemail by using the default pin code...

I understand that in the case of Milly Dowler they accessed the phone and this removed the messages. Making the parents think Milly had seen/heard them and still alive. Thus causing immeasurable emotional distress.

I understand if you think this isn't harm. It is. Your social skills are just warped. It happens. Probably not your fault. Nature or nurture, genetics or blame the government. You are just a heartless, unfeeling, arse. Have any kids? Even care about them at all? Know how it feels when they're missing?

Now if you're talking about the celebrities then, like us all, they should have known better. Hindsight is wonderful. Certainly may have caused a little harm to employees who were thought of leaking information.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
I understand that in the case of Milly Dowler they accessed the phone and this removed the messages. Making the parents think Milly had seen/heard them and still alive. Thus causing immeasurable emotional distress.

Phone hacking trial judge Mr Justice Saunders said The News Of The World was not responsible for giving Mr and Mrs Dowler false hope, adding: ‘The Guardian, were wrong and they have accepted it.’

On 12th December 2011, The Guardian printed the following correction on page 32 of it's paper:-
An article about the investigation into the abduction and death of Milly Dowler (News of the World hacked Milly Dowler's phone during police hunt, 5 July, page 1) stated that voicemail "messages were deleted by [NoW] journalists in the first few days after Milly's disappearance in order to free up space for more messages. As a result friends and relatives of Milly concluded wrongly that she might still be alive." Since this story was published new evidence has led the Metropolitan police to believe that this was unlikely to have been correct and that while the News of the World hacked Milly Dowler's phone the newspaper is unlikely to have been responsible for the deletion of a set of voicemails from the phone that caused her parents to have false hopes that she was alive, according to a Metropolitan police statement made to the Leveson inquiry on 12 December.
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

In order to avoid prison Brooks had to stand up in court and explain to the judge that she was unwaveringly inept in her job.

Anyone else's career would be over at this point but she has enough contacts to land a cushy little number on a few million a year somewhere, even if she isn't trusted to actually do anything.

In order to be allowed any responsibility in this new job she will have to explain to her new employers what they already know - that she did know what her employees were doing, that she did know phone hacking was going on, that she let it and that she managed to get away with it. And she got a multi-million payout. All while the Clyde to her Bonnie got convicted and banged up. How inept does she look now?

Funny old world.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Brooks had to stand up in court and explain to the judge that she was unwaveringly inept in her job.

And successfully profited from it, therefore showing that she's actually very good at selling a crude brazen fabrication.
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
angryjonny wrote:
Brooks had to stand up in court and explain to the judge that she was unwaveringly inept in her job.

And successfully profited from it, therefore showing that she's actually very good at selling a crude brazen fabrication.


angryjonny wrote:
How inept does she look now?


Indeed.

Well played Ms Brooks. But then you were always uncle Rupert's favourite. He'd never let you go down.
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
...Ms Brooks... you were always uncle Rupert's favourite. He'd never let you go down.

Thinking Really, I'm sure he would. Who's to say she doesn't, regularly. Keeps a smile on his face (and explain her career if so inept) Wink
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 25 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

i still would slip inside her, something about pale redheads i need to get out of my system but i cant seem to shake it.

if i split with current girl i am so after a pale redhead irish/scotish girl with a strong irish/scotish accent (eastern euro qualifies too)
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