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chris-red
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Anyone who chooses Organic Pads over Sintered... Reply with quote
...to save on disc wear.

It is moronic.

I'm 17-18stone, my bike is fairly heavy, 90% of my mileage is riding in an out of London, my bike has R1 brakes, I always use Sintered pads.

Sounds like a recipe that would eat through discs right?
I just had to order a new set. Infact the first new set the bike has ever had. Not bad considering the bike has done 70,000 miles. How many miles would you have to do to actually save money on brake discs?
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
How low are the discs?

Is that everyday riding? wet/snow/dry the lot?
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
How often does one change the discs to even think about it? Confused
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chris-red
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
SQL wrote:
How low are the discs?

Is that everyday riding? wet/snow/dry the lot?


Discs were measures at 4.35, minimum spec is 4.5. That is everyday riding, although I do avoid snow now!
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chris-red
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
RhynoCZ wrote:
How often does one change the discs to even think about it? Confused


I have heard people say more than once and on here they use organic pads because sintered eat the discs. In reality poor maintenance eats discs.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
The money you waste on replacing the pads twice as often more than covers it.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:

I have heard people say more than once and on here they use organic pads because sintered eat the discs. In reality poor maintenance eats discs.


Very true about poor maintenance. I used organic pads recently and expected them to last much longer than they did - the result being a nice shiny new rear disc and another set of sintered's, I was bloody lucky that I didn't need new pistons as well (and that it wasn't the front because twin discs = twice the price!).
It's the only time I've ever had a pair of pads eat a disc. The front set are now at 35K+, have only been run on sintered's (at least for the last 18K of my ownership) and, whilst they're not perfect, I wouldn't consider that kind of mileage unreasonable for a set of discs on a 1/4 ton pocket rocket!
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
ive only bought oem pads from yamaha for my R1 which the dealer explaned are specifically made for those discs whereas generic sintrered or other pads are not and can cause excessive wear down on the dics.

hopefully the bike wont get stolen or written off so i can find this out one day
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Has anybody on here actually got any experience of the 'excessive wear' issues spouted by all and sundry in the 'here sir, buy these ones because I'll make more money in the long run' industry?
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
woo wrote:
ive only bought oem pads from yamaha for my R1 which the dealer explaned are specifically made for those discs whereas generic sintrered or other pads are not and can cause excessive wear down on the dics.

hopefully the bike wont get stolen or written off so i can find this out one day


The again though, he would say that. If he can get them cheap from Yamaha, that's more money for him.

I'll go with whatever recommendations owners of my bike give, based on the kind of riding they do, and how cool they sound. I use Carbone Lorraine because they sound sexy in a French kind of way. My brake pads probably smoke 10 Gauloises before breakfast.
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
woo wrote:
ive only bought oem pads from yamaha for my R1 which the dealer explaned are specifically made for those discs whereas generic sintrered or other pads are not and can cause excessive wear down on the dics.

hopefully the bike wont get stolen or written off so i can find this out one day


Going for OEM pads on my Fazer thou next too. I've had EBC HHs on previous ones and they most definitely did eat the discs - and yes, calipers were well maintained, no binding. Heard enough nasties about organics now that I'll give em a miss.

I wish I knew what pads were on it now, as they seem to be lasting forever - no noticeable disc wear, and they stop the bike a treat. I rather suspect they are OEMs.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just to balance things up, I've been using organics for years and years as I prefer the feel over sintered.

Never had a problem, never changed a disc.

One of my bikes does have sintered as that is what it came with but they'll be swapped for organic when they wear out.
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
woo wrote:
ive only bought oem pads from yamaha for my R1 which the dealer explaned are specifically made for those discs whereas generic sintrered or other pads are not and can cause excessive wear down on the dics.

hopefully the bike wont get stolen or written off so i can find this out one day


Going for OEM pads on my Fazer thou next too. I've had EBC HHs on previous ones and they most definitely did eat the discs - and yes, calipers were well maintained, no binding. Heard enough nasties about organics now that I'll give em a miss.

I wish I knew what pads were on it now, as they seem to be lasting forever - no noticeable disc wear, and they stop the bike a treat. I rather suspect they are OEMs.


Fazer thou with Blue spots? If so I'm pretty sure we have the same brake setup, mine was ridden mostly with EBC HH pads and they lasted 70K+ the majority of those miles were hard commuting miles. If yours ate them and mine didn't there must be something amiss with yours.
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 30 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:

Fazer thou with Blue spots? If so I'm pretty sure we have the same brake setup, mine was ridden mostly with EBC HH pads and they lasted 70K+ the majority of those miles were hard commuting miles. If yours ate them and mine didn't there must be something amiss with yours.


Yep, blue spots. I've had four of these bikes now, and used the sintereds on the first three. All three ended up with quite deep ridges on the discs. The calipers were well looked after on all three of those bikes. This, my fourth, doesn't look to have sintered pads (no metal content I can see) and no ridges/excessive wear either. I don't know what else could be the reason for this, but that's how it's been.

Maybe I'm harder on the front brakes than you...as in "oh shit, corner, aaargh!" Laughing
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