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PostPosted: 01:39 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's wrong with this?


https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/motorcycle-helmet-hanged-handlebar-grossglockner-high-al-alphine-mountains-snow-partly-covers-mountains-34480026.jpg


Plus my bike already has a helmet hook. It's under the seat you lock your helmet to it.
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PostPosted: 01:49 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just aswell my helmet is a Shark helmet then phewww. Wink

I googled helmet hook and it brings up a few different ones yours seems to be the most straight forward but there are some nice bar end variants.

It's not something I'd buy into myself I'd still hang mine on the mirror via the straps but I hope it's prosperous for you. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 01:54 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, if you like the idea, tell your friends even if you don't buy one. If you hang it in the strap, you won't mess up your interior and yeah, you don't want it bouncing down the street. That hurts even if your helmet is not expensive.

Yes, other helmet hooks come up but I other than some complicated variant that looks like a claw, I think this is the only one. All the others are for racing cars and hanging on the wall.

Thanks for the well wishes.

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PostPosted: 02:26 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

To quote Dragons Den.

You've invented something, while clever, did not need inventing. These days most bikes come with a helmet attachment under the seat. I have had one on the last 3 bikes I have owned and the dates of the machines manufacture were 1991. 1999 and 2013.

I also have a top box that my helmet fits in brilliantly.

Good idea, but I honestly cannot see a use for it in todays biker market. 20 years ago, genius.
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PostPosted: 02:43 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheHelmetHook wrote:
Bottom line is, no matter how many alternative spots you can find to put it, there really ISN'T a good place to hang your helmet.
You could always sit it on the ground?

TheHelmetHook wrote:
those look like my Aprilia mirrors and I've made the mistake to hang my helmet on there many times only to have it fall off as soon as I just moved the bike a little bit.
The trick is to move the helmet before you move the bike. I'll soon have a helmet removal reminder alarm for sale - some of my profits will go towards animal charity so feel free to spend away Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 03:26 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You've invented something, while clever, did not need inventing. These days most bikes come with a helmet attachment under the seat. I have had one on the last 3 bikes I have owned and the dates of the machines manufacture were 1991. 1999 and 2013.

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Just about every road bike I have ever had has had a 'Helmet Lock', and that takes you back to bike built since about 1975!

Most were designed to lock through the D or a double-D strap fastener, and hang the hat off the strap.

When I first bought a Shoei in err. 1987 I think it was, the 'Seat-Belt' buckle on it's strap was something of a novelty, but they actually put a D-ring on the strap, which was actually marked, in the user manual... as 'Motorcycle attachment Ring'

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The Helmet Hook comes from a friend of mine in the US, George Penev, who designed and patented the Helmet Hook and sells them for US$15.95.


To be honest, I am stunned you have a patent, on something that has existed for forty years, is a standard feature on many motorcycles, and is essentially a bit of iron-mongery I could pick up in any hardware store... since before even the motorcycle, let alone it's safety helmet was invented!

Exactly what 'Unique and innovative feature' of your design gained you patent approval?

But sorry, I wont be paying $16 for one, when I can use the one fiited as standard to my bike, which had advantage of actually locking my hat to the bike, as well.
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PostPosted: 03:36 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I've discussed this (and so have many of my customers) in several forums, many times. When it comes to the helmet hook, there generally seems to be two kinds of people (and no offense by the way), those that immediately see the need and obvious use for it and those that don't. I've had people post anything including how they can just do this and that to accomplish the same thing and sure, you can even take a steel wire and wrap it around the handlebar to do the same thing but for the cost of the helmet hook, I don't see it.
Yes, many bikes have a helmet lock but that usually requires locking the handlebar, taking the key out, going to the lock, unlocking it and so on. I myself have a top box that holds two full size helmets but again, not as simple. The helmet hook was meant to make things simple for you, just take it off and hang it on your handlebars while you get gas, talk to someone or whatever.

I can easily think of at least ten reasons I've heard why NOT to get a helmet hook (you know, using other options) but I've never had one person that bought one that has come back to me saying anything negative. There is a long sales thread on the ADVForum and not one single negative comment. Bottom line is, you either like the idea and you think it's worth it or you don't and you instead choose to do any other action/option. By the way, my 1986 ZX-10 had a helmet lock and while that worked, if I had had a helmet hook, I would have used it too.

Bottom line is, there are always OTHER options. Are they better, well, that's for each one to decide and although I have numerous comments from users, again, that hardly matters.

By the way, I did want to know if I could post a sales thread somewhere in the forum...

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PostPosted: 04:06 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice to know you have many satisfied customers. Doesn't really answer my question though;
Teflon-Mike wrote:
Exactly what 'Unique and innovative feature' of your design gained you patent approval?

Still unanswered; and is a genuine question, since I tried to patent the Disc-Lock circa 1990, when there was nothing like it available and I was studying Mech-Eng at Uni, and rather peeved trying top lug a ruddy great chain about... So I do have a real interest in your patent.

As for my lack of enthusiasm to use your product; 'no offence', but sorry no I dont see a 'need'.. curiously I haven't 'needed' a helmet hanging hook, and have managed to live without one quite well for, oooh... thirty odd years of motorcycling; so I'd suggest that no-one actually 'needs' one; some people may see one as 'useful', in the same way I find a cargo-net quite helpful, or my little Wee-Willy visor cleaning kit; but, filling with gas? Talking to people... err.. never really found so many cases the lack of convenient place to hang my hat as ever been so much of an 'inconvenience' to me that I ever thought, 'Oh I wish I had somewhere I could hang my helmet'... and that includes five years as a motorcycle instructor, stopping every ten minutes to talk to students, or standing around on the side-walk watching them do U-Turns and e-stops and stuff. But hey-ho, if other folk see the benefit, each to thier own.

Still interested to know how you have got a patent on the thing, though.

As for 'Spam' on this forum... no, talk to Korn, the site owner; he may make an exception; the chap that invented the scanview blind-spot mirror was a long standing forum member, before he tried marketing his genuinely novel innovation, and was allowed to poll members to get ahead buyers for the prototype batch... but for some-one popping up explicitly to flog us something... I suspect you will have to pay for any advertising.
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PostPosted: 05:35 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I currently ride a step-thru. plenty of room on the foot board for my lid.
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PostPosted: 07:50 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have one on each side of my suzuki burgman and can fit two lids under the seat Laughing


also every bike i have owned had a metel ring on it for locking the bike to somthing also ideal for locking the lid to the scoot
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PostPosted: 07:57 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Exactly what 'Unique and innovative feature' of your design gained you patent approval?



Think Apple, they claim to have invented all sorts of stuff which they simply stole and or refined from other companies and inventors.

They then sued the crap out of people who copied their stolen ideas.

They were stupid enough to sue Samsung which makes the chips for most of their hardware Doh!
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a nice idea, but seems a bit pointless really for anyone whos got an ounce of sense.

More interestingly I learned from this thread that Shoei reccomend not pouring petrol on your helmet... personally Ive never experienced the temptation or desire to douse my helmet in petrol but its good to know that I shouldnt do it.

(seriously who pours petrol on their helmet? Why does this warning even need to exist? Almost as stupid as putting "warning: hot" on coffee cups)
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tierbirdy wrote:
Its a nice idea, but seems a bit pointless really for anyone whos got an ounce of sense.

More interestingly I learned from this thread that Shoei reccomend not pouring petrol on your helmet... personally Ive never experienced the temptation or desire to douse my helmet in petrol but its good to know that I shouldnt do it.

(seriously who pours petrol on their helmet? Why does this warning even need to exist? Almost as stupid as putting "warning: hot" on coffee cups)



Petrol actually can make a good cleaner, when I bought my Africa twin it was painted matt black. The black cleaned off with petrol.
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it's a bad idea on the whole. I don't think my Bonneville has a helmet hook.

I wish you luck with the product and hope it makes you a fortune.
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
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Exactly what 'Unique and innovative feature' of your design gained you patent approval?
Think Apple, they claim to have invented all sorts of stuff which they simply stole and or refined from other companies and inventors.
Yup, US Patent office has, in recent years become remarkably accommodating of US 'Inventors' applications, and the fundemental rules applied to patents been scrutinised even in US media, where US corporations, desperate to protect the cash-cow home market have been playing the patent and trade-mark 'game' and gaining 'new' patents to effectively extend patent period, or even 'steal' concept rights through splitting hairs of symentics in legalese.

He's 'invented' a hook. to patent it, would require demonstrating that no previouse device ever existed before... I don't think so... hooks have been around since the stone age; I have a row of them on a beam in my kitchen with sauce-pans hanging from them, not dissimilar to similar 'hooks' I have seen in medieval kitchens.

So, got to be more specific... he's invented a hook that can be attached to a motorbike... again.. not really specific enough, and again can be demonstrated there have been hooks attached to motorbikes, PRETTY much since motorbikes wee invented...

A hook to attach to a motorbike, to which a helmet may be suspended? More specific.. but as both Pinky and myself pointed out, and this 'inventor' himself admits... such specific hooks have pre-existed his patent application by at LEAST thirty years.

SO, what's the 'framing' that might allow him to claim no previous existence of such a device?

I have a pretty good idea what it may be, TBH, and I also have a pretty good idea that its likely to be quite tenuous, as I know that 'dedicated' handle-bar mounted 'accessory' hooks have been available as after-market accessories for motorcycles since at least the mid 1980's, ostensibly sold as a 'tie-down' point for strapping a bike to a trailer or back of a pick-up or RV, but equally useful for attaching a cargo-net or hanging a coat on... and would only take a photo of some-one to have hung their crash-hat on one to prove 'prior existence'; hence the patent application, to be valid MUST have some VERY carefully framed and incredibly specific framing, to justify its 'unique and innovative' content, to be Valid...

However, this is where it's being exploited in the US; Patent Applicant isn't required to dis-prove 'prior existence', merely justify their belief their innovation is sufficiently 'novel' for US patent office to accept and grant the US Patent. US Patent is then circulated to world-wide patent offices; for reference, and to provide evidence of 'prior existence' against foreign patent applications of a similar product, and lever world-wide patent rights on the basis of the US one...

Which may be utterly refutable... BUT, doesn't matter; once patent has been granted, up to any-one offering a similar product to defend themselves against a Patent Infringement claim... NOT for patent applicant to PROVE they have actually invented something!

AND, usually far cheaper to 'Buy Off' a US Patent holder, with an out of court settlement, then fight it through the courts Confused

But, whatever my suspicions, and whatever my cynical view of US Patent law may be.... remains, I am genuinely interested in how he has gained a genuine Patent Approval, as claimed.... it must be a piece of precision semantics worthy of a master of bureaucracy!
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I the only one that uses a cheap bicycle cable lock to lock my helmet to the bike? Say if I don't want to carry it around town but I also don't want it just hanging off the bars I'll lock it to the luggage rack or somewhere similar and leave it on the seat or hanging off the side.
Also what does the patent actually protect?
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd buy one. There's no where on my YBR to hang anything really. The mirrors are well flimsy. Seats are to narrow to rest my lid on to so I would definitely get a lot of use from it.

however there's no way I'd pay more than 5 or 6 quid for it because at the end of the day I can live without it.
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
cheap bicycle cable lock to lock my helmet to the bike?

FTW. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petition for OP the have username shortened to 'TheHelmet' Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So it's a hook to do the job of holding my helmet while I get sorted, not to secure the helmet while I shop / at work

My garden table also holds my bag and my gloves at the same time as can my wheelie bin lid if I'm returning home and not opened the gate

Most petrol pumps have a flat surface that works nicely

I've yet to own a helmet with a D ring
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure my mate's '74 CB125S has a helmet lock.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Teflon-Mike wrote:
Exactly what 'Unique and innovative feature' of your design gained you patent approval?



Think Apple, they claim to have invented all sorts of stuff which they simply stole and or refined from other companies and inventors.

They then sued the crap out of people who copied their stolen ideas.

They were stupid enough to sue Samsung which makes the chips for most of their hardware Doh!


US are morons when it comes to patents.

Amazon successfully patented this...
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Amazon-1-640x424.png

Which to anyone who has done any studio photography will recognise as something that has been done for decades, lights behind the subject and a white wall with an infinity cove

Only one I have to hand was taken well before the patent.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/254238_10151802950278761_1469473795_n.jpg

It's literally like me trying to patent the 'Knee Down' or left foot braking. Laughing
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