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PostPosted: 14:35 - 06 Jul 2014    Post subject: Can I remove a link of my chain? Reply with quote

Can I remove a link of my chain?
The chain slack should be around 2cm, but lately its more like 3-4 cm of slack, which is definitely too much. I cannot further tighten the chain.

Bike is a 2010 Honda CBF 125
Chain is an RK 428 KRO with around 3500 kms on it. Always made sure it was properly lubricated.

What would I need to remove a chain link? As far as I know, the chain is connected to itself by a small locking piece, and not by a pin going through.

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PostPosted: 14:40 - 06 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need a new chain, it'll end in tears trying to squeeze more life out of a fully stretched one.
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 06 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dang it!

Can it really be true that it's done after a mere 3500 kilometres? That's around 2200 miles just for the sake of comparison.

Could you elaborate on what problems I would run in to if I try removing a chain link?
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 06 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I banged some links out of a chain on my old 250. Used a large socket to rest the bit I wanted to remove on then a screwdriver, hammer and lots of brute force and ignorance to bash the pin out and remove the link.

Probably wasn't the best way as you can get a chain splitting tool for about 10 quid.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 06 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think about it; a worn chain has a longer distance between each gap that the sprocket teeth fit into.

That means a worn chain is no longer the correct chain for your sprockets; it now has a pitch that's too long.

All the force of the engine will be on the first couple of teeth engaged in the chain, instead of distributed around the sprocket. So the sprocket teeth will wear faster, and they will snap - this generally happens sooner on the front sprocket that you typically can't see behind the sprocket cover, than the rear sprocket.

It's harder on your chain too, and your chain is more likely to snap.

A snapped chain is not something you want. If the chain is under a lot of tension when it snaps - and, if you think about it, it will be - it'll release that energy very quickly, into the engine block if you're lucky, into your ankle if you're not. It could also lock up your rear tyre at speed.

The upshot is that you should (a) be taking better care of your chain, and (b) change both chain and sprockets when your chain wears out.

The chain is right up there in safety items on a bike alongside brakes and tyres. Don't neglect your chain.
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 06 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ADSrox0r wrote:
a fully stretched one.


Chains do not stretch......

What happens is that the pins & roller wear.

If the OP has run out of adjustment on the chain adjusters after such a short distance.
Eithers its a shit chain or there are too many links in it.

My chain has gone that far from new with no adjustment.
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 06 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps whoever sold you the chain sent you an overlength chain?
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 06 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you been lubing the chain? Either that's caused it to wear quickly or it's made out of cheese.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 06 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 With rubbish chain or you haven't been maintaining it correctly.

Saw one guy using GT-85 on his chain as chain lube. Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 06 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
ADSrox0r wrote:
a fully stretched one.

If the OP has run out of adjustment on the chain adjusters after such a short distance.
Eithers its a shit chain or there are too many links in it.

My chain has gone that far from new with no adjustment.

IME chains have exponential drop-off in their lifetimes. They last a long time without any need for adjustment, but once they start needing adjustment they rapidly go downhill.

I suspect poor maintenance.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 06 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's a combination. I've sprayed over the chain with motorcycle chain lube 2-3 times while I've had it.

The chain length is variable when I bought it. You cut off a certain amount of links and connect the chain when on the bike.

It was a cheap 35£ chain (sprockets included).

I'm just thinking that if I adjust the rear wheel position to be as far ahead as possible with the adjusting nuts, it should be enough to make me able to take a link off the chain.

I'm studying and with no job, so I've got to keep it running for minimum costs. I would absolutely hate to go without my bike until I get my next paycheck at the beginning of August.

I'm struggling to believe it's already worn out. I even considered taking off an extra link initially before I put it onto the bike.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 06 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

temeluchus wrote:
Perhaps whoever sold you the chain sent you an overlength chain?


That, or smaller sprockets than standard would be my guess.

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PostPosted: 10:28 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cut the links off the chain when I got it, so it had the exact same number of links as on the old one. The sprockets was also the exact same sizes as the old ones, and with the same number of teeth on them.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you have probably just had a lesson in false ecconmies.
Cheap chain that costs half as much but lasts 1/4 the miles works out twice as expensive as decent chain costing twice as much.

And that is if it doesn't throw or snap on you, when worn links, mean gaps between pins are further apart dont 'pick up' on the sproket teeth, and eventually a tooth comes up under a pin rather than into a hole, resulting in the chain being lifted off the cog, and either coming off, or getting snapped.

Results can range from annoying to catastropic; but either way, best case is you have hassle, and a long walk home, and STILL have to bite the bullet and buy a new chain. Worst case, chain bunches or wips, and smashes an engine casing, to locks the back wheel and brings bike down, giving you even more to fix than you had to start, even if you aren't hurt, possibly badly in the process.

Cut to the chase; get a new C&S kit, and this time make it a decent one, from a reputable supplier.

Its not a case of whether you can afford to... its a case of whether you can afford NOT to.

And if you cant afford to maintain the bike... DON'T ride it. It wont get better on its own, it will only get worse, and likely give you even more you cant afford to fix, trying to 'botch' the job for the sake of not 'saving' money, just delaying when you have to spend it... that's a lesson in false economy you can avoid.
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Appreciate your reply Teflon-Mike. Although I'm afraid I cannot follow some of your advice. End of discussion. Keeping a 125 running for just another year in my case is a question of keeping costs down until I can get out on a proper bike.


Anyway, I went looking at my 'DIY-book' where I had written down when I changed the chain and sprockets, which turned out to be at 18000 kilometres. Considering I'm at 24050 kilometres now, this cheap 35£ set lasted for just over 6000 kilometres. That's plenty for me, and this makes better sense in my head. I'll order a new set at the dealer in town later this week, and check if he has something of higher quality by another brand while I'm at it.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Palm_95 wrote:
new set at the dealer


Have a look on wemoto first, aim for sunstar or JT sprockets and a DID chain.
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Palm_95 wrote:
Appreciate your reply Teflon-Mike. Although I'm afraid I cannot follow some of your advice. End of discussion. Keeping a 125 running for just another year in my case is a question of keeping costs down until I can get out on a proper bike.

Advice still holds, regardless; keeping costs down, even if just for a year, false economies still prove false.
Well maintained bike, works, doesn't break down, give hassle or cost extra in 'consequential' repairs.

It'll be more efficient and go faster for less fuel, be safer, and nicer to ride, and to own. And when you have done with it, you have a well maintained bike, more likely to sell, more easily, for better money, than some run into the ground knacker held together with cable ties, gaffer tape and good wishes.

It's all round 'win-win'... and if you cant afford to 'maintain' your bike in good serviceable road-worthy condition; you cant afford to ride it.

Tyres, brakes, bearings, chains & sprockets should come before petrol. Like I said, its not a case of not being able to afford to maintain the bike, its whether you can afford not to.

What would you do, if bike broke, and WONT work, and you HAVE to find money to repair, or live without?

Cable ties, gaffer tape and good wishes will only carry you so far...then its back to the bus... and the bike will still need fixing 'properly', and money spending on it.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 07 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can do this to it, removing a link aint gonna help.

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PostPosted: 07:35 - 08 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
It was a cheap 35£ chain (sprockets included).


It was cheap crap replace with a good chain and yet again new sprockets lub a lot at least once a week and it should last
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 08 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Palm_95 wrote:
this cheap 35£ set lasted for just over 6000 kilometres. That's plenty for me, and this makes better sense in my head. .


And we wonder why the country is in such a mess.....

I paid £100 for JT sprockets and chain fitted to my bike. As I said before they have gone as far as your with no adjustment.......
I ride a Versys 650 for commuting. So lots of stop starts and on & off throttle..

So future leader of the world.
Which is better value.....


Stop thinking £ now and think of the long game as TM said Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:18 - 10 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Palm_95 wrote:
this cheap 35£ set lasted for just over 6000 kilometres. That's plenty for me, and this makes better sense in my head. .


And we wonder why the country is in such a mess.....

I paid £100 for JT sprockets and chain fitted to my bike. As I said before they have gone as far as your with no adjustment.......
I ride a Versys 650 for commuting. So lots of stop starts and on & off throttle..

So future leader of the world.
Which is better value.....


Stop thinking £ now and think of the long game as TM said Thumbs Up


I'm not from the UK, so you can't blame me for messing with your country. Wink

Anyway, I appreciate your advice. And I will consider this if I ever get money enough to buy such. I ordered a new chain like the one I'm already running. It cost me 135 dkk which equals ~14£. So 6000 kms on a 14£ chain on a cheap bike. I'm pretty sure I'd rather get another chain + sprocket set the next time, before selling it on than spending an additional 75£ on a higher quality chain that I wont get money back from anyway. Simple economics. Of course, if I had the bike for more than a year to go, a higher quality chain would be my choice.

Now, yet again thanks for your advice all. Happy Thursday.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 10 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

gonna have to jump the band wagon here. basically the same as everyone else.

the DID x-ring on mine has gone for 16000 miles. the git was £130ish quide iirc. if i spend £35 on mine with 2200 miles per go it would have spent more like £250. so it actually make more sense to spend less on the more expensive set - if that make any sense at all
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 10 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, use what is within your budget. I used a £12.99 chain on my Varadero with used sprockets and got 10,000 out of it, just lube it little and often.
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 10 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Palm_95 wrote:
I'm not from the UK, so you can't blame me for messing with your country. Wink

Oh! Yes I can, your Danish! Family business was pig-breeding! I can blame you, and your country for swamping us with bludy Dane-Mark Bacon, and al lot of other ills caused by the common-market... admittedly this does date back to 1973, probably a while before you were born, but still.. bludy pork-vikings!
Palm_95 wrote:
Anyway, I appreciate your advice. And I will consider this if I ever get money enough to buy such. I ordered a new chain like the one I'm already running. It cost me 135 dkk which equals ~14£. So 6000 kms on a 14£ chain on a cheap bike. I'm pretty sure I'd rather get another chain + sprocket set the next time, before selling it on than spending an additional 75£ on a higher quality chain that I wont get money back from anyway. Simple economics. Of course, if I had the bike for more than a year to go, a higher quality chain would be my choice.

You're still not seeing the logc; you THINK you have a good idea, but still doesn't quite work.
Buy cheap chain; push problem onto the next owner, 'cos you dont intend keeping the bike, so why put value nto the bike YOU aren't going to get the 'value' from...
SOUNDS logical...
BUT.
Between now and then, you have chitty chain, which you will have to adjust more often, lube more often, and gving you more work to do than you need, making bike less 'nice' to own.
Then when you come to flog it on; sure, it's got a chain, what more does a prospective buyer want?
BUT, they look at the adjustors, that are well chewed from all the extra times you have had to twiddle them; and they note how much slack is in the thig, and how far back the axle is in the slots, and they say "Hmmm.... chains almost shot... it'll need a new one of them soon.... what else is almost knackered on it then?"
And they are more lkely to walk away, or not give you the full asking price.
Actually having a good half worn chain is probably a BETTER sales feature on a second hand bike than even sticking a brand new one on it just before you sell.... looks more 'honest' not like you have done a load of work just before getting rid, to fix the worst faults, r tarted up a knacker.
Ad the C&S is something, like tyres that is easily seen, and a good guide to how well looked after the whole bike has been.
You see shitty cheap chain, almost at the end of the adjusters, you think, "OK, so they haven't used decent brake pads or shoes either, bet they are cheap shit too, and I wonder how much is left on them? Probably hasn't bothered changing the oil very often, either, and if they have, they wont have given it the good stuff, probably whatever was lying around! Might not have even been the right grade!" and such like.
So, you DO get the value better parts, even if you DONT keep the bike long eough to wear them out. You DO get the value from 'maintenance' and dong jobs properly... you get the 'value' from having a nicer, better maintained bike, that works better, goes faster, looks nicer, uses less fuel, needs LESS work, and holds more value, to sell for a better price IF you sell on.
"Oh, well I'm not gong to keep it - wont be MY problem" is not really such a great idea. Until it does sell it IS your problem, selling it will be your problem, and the penny pinching economics you have applied here, i the short term, DONT necessarily stack up in the long term costs of ownership.
But still... you've made your bed... ow you got to lie in it...
Go have a bacon butty and a bottle of lager... save them being sent over here! Make sure you put plenty of unsalted butter on the sandwhich, too... Wink
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 10 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
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You heard it here first...

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