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loply
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 14 Jan 2005    Post subject: Back end moving perpendicular to bike Reply with quote

I was on my way home from a roundabout scouting excercise just now when I encountered a Peugeot 206 on a dual carraigeway which didnt seem to want me to overtake it.

Anyway we came to the end of the road and a roundabout and I stopped in the left hand lane as there was traffic coming, but he came from about 30m behind me and flew onto the roundabout, I thought the cheeky git, he probably thought he had "won" by doing that Twisted Evil

Anyway I gave it some stick around the roundabout and halfway round decided I would chase him and catch him,

I banked left as I left the roundabout quite sharply cus of the road, going quite fast for the conditions, then I opened up the throttle and banked sharply right to change lanes and overtake him (there was no traffic on our exit btw) and when I banked left again to "straighten up" in my new lane, still giving it a lot of throttle for the conditions & angle, I was given the exhilerating experience of the back wheel travelling dramatically sideways

Luckily it only lasted half a second or so and I regained control before anything happened, but I found it quite satisfying, even though I was a hairs width away from a crash.

Id love to be rich so I could do it all the time and not care if I smash lots of sidepanels.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 14 Jan 2005    Post subject: Re: Back end moving perpendicular to bike Reply with quote

It's fun.
I found out I could make the back go sideways on my nsr in the damp with a bit of extra throttle on roundabouts.
Then I crashed on a pot hole about 50 meters away from my destination.

However, at speed you risk a highside, which can cost you a lot more than broken side panels.
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 14 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had that happen on my cbr250, it is quite a cool feeling when you regain grip. I was doing close on 70mph at the time (trying to chase a car of an island just like you) and the back end went /really/ sideways and I nearly hit the dual carridgeway barrier Wink

Needless to say after that the rather fast car had disappeared into the distance, although I bet he saw my headlight waggle about a bit as it was dark!
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PostPosted: 02:13 - 16 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last night riding quite fast on a friend's RT125 in the damp chasing another friend (my first time in the wet with the bike), I was feeling the back wheel slide around almost every corner when the power was on. It was a lot of fun, yes, but also annoying because I eventually realized that the traction was horrible and quite dangerous, even when going carefully. And I mean horrible as in my friend with 90 Front/100 Rear tires was stuck to the road like glue, vs the 110 front/130 Rear tires I had!
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PostPosted: 04:46 - 16 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had that experience happen to me on my old 1990 ZZR 250. It turned out that the rear wheel bearing had to much float causing the rear wheel to slightly TWIST on the bearing housing giving a slight slide feeling Shocked I only noticed it most during rapid direction changes and really harsh lean angles (scraping the pipes around bends!) I didn't like that sliding feeling at all!
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 16 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done it twice on my rs50 Laughing

Once going round a corner quite fast, and there was a huge pyddle with gravel on it, it just slid out about a foot, then gripped again.
Second time was over a wet grid (cheat) lol
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 16 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good fun but be careful doing it in the dry cos when that tyre suddenly grips again it could result in a nice highside and you flying through the air Evil or Very Mad

I get the back out sometimes in the wet, but try to avoid it in the dry.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 16 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

when working in liverpool before christmas

i rode off a roundabout and the whole bike slid out round the corner.

probably on diesel

and then gripped again


it might of looked cool to the driver behind me

but i have to admit it shook me up a bit
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 16 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

has anybody ever heard of those "urban legend" streetbikes such as Ducati 996, Yamaha R1, MV Augusta SP 750 and others where by fitting MEGA priced suspension, wheel and tyre combinations the rider (usualy of highly motorcycle experienced background) is able to leave black lines from both the rear and front tyres? I once read an article in an Australian magazine titled "RAPID" that a man modified a Ducati 996 with some extremely expensive suspension components and a pair of carbonfibre wheels fitted with Pirelli Diablo Corsa tyres, was able to leave twin black strips at fast corner exits and descibes the feeling as outcornering a rollercoaster!
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 16 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

get a suzuki goose with a slightly old commuting rear tyre, run it in the wet with a tightened chain and a lot of revs. Wheelspins mid corner at about 70 odd too. But i did have it going sideways alot too even around the roundabouts. Soooo much fun. Kind of explained supermoto racing to me for once Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 16 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try green laning on supermoto wheels, after it's been raining for a week... was VERY muddy out today, don't think the rear end stayed in a STRAIGHT line, it was sideways one way or the other Laughing

Great fun though.. if a bit muddy Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 16 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming off roundabouts with the roads as greasy as they are can certainly be more than a little interesting, even with only 10hp. Smile

Tightening your back brake and forgetting that you have, before standing on it coming up to traffic lights results in sideways fun (and hoping that it will stop before the line). The trouble is it takes a bit much concentration for my skill to remember to not just stand as hard as possible on the rear if I have to stop quickly.
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 16 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going a tad too fast (35-38 mph?) around a very sharp left-right corner on a narrow road I came across a taxi parked right at the exit of the right-hander. I didn't see him until the bike was starting to lean right. All I had time to do was slam my brakes, and my rear locked up first, sending me skidding straight towards the back of the taxi. I held the skid and used my legs to shift the bike away from the taxi and to a tiny spot between its left rear corner and a wall. As I got closer to that spot I realized there was an older woman standing outside the door staring at me as I approached. At this point I'd been sliding a good 40 feet and was just coming to a stop, which ended up being a foot past the left rear bumper of the taxi and about a foot in front of this lady. I looked at her, she looked at me and I smiled and said 'Sorry about that. You have a nice evening.' Backed the bike up and rode off with her staring after me.

I wouldn't have even come close if the rear hadn't locked and the only reason it did lock was because I'd had the front and rear wheel hubs replaced, so the drum shoes were working better than I've ever felt on the bike, making the normally pathetic rear brake actually effective. Since then I've never locked the rear and I plan to keep it that way (unless I'm having fun, of course).
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