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Val
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 21 Jul 2014    Post subject: any UK motorcycle organisation that do SOMETHING? Reply with quote

Hi,

I am not a member of any motorcycle organisation except BCF Laughing

One question is there in the UK ANY motorcycle organisation that actually is doing something for all of us?

I mean I would like basic non-political things like making good roads and organising transport road system to be motorcycle friendly - like changing the Road Traffic Act so that riding in a bus lane is not left to some local counsel bureaucrat wishes.

I do not want my tax payers money spent by the government for stupid campaigns, posters and stickers like Think Bike - I want road organisation in way that prevents accidents for riders.

Means actively lobbying and pushing for us.

On BMF page here are the reasons why I should join them:

Why join the BMF?

Get a quarterly 27+ page magazine!
Get discounted BMF show tickets in advance!
Get money off services, tours and holidays!
Support the rights of motorcyclists on the roads!

WTF?

On MAG page they just say: MAG's main activities are political

no details whatsoever.

Really?
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 21 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup got it in one.

The only way to get more political power is to encourage more people to ride once you are a bigger % of the population you have a bigger voice.


Unfortunately we have idiotic motorbike training schools that keep lobbying for their own demise* which is killing off the number of new bikers.


*motorcycle schools wanted and got the graded licensing system thinking they would get much more new business because of it. They were wrong as not as many people will jump through all the hoops.
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 21 Jul 2014    Post subject: Re: any UK motorcycle organisation that do SOMETHING? Reply with quote

valko wrote:
I am not a member of any motorcycle organisation except BCF Laughing


I think this answers your question. Funnily enough I would support any organisation/collective that actively promoted bikers interests.

The amount of members on this forum, could as a collective, have a potent voice, alas there perhaps is not the will.

However I always console myself with the 'last post wins'. Mr. Green

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PostPosted: 18:53 - 21 Jul 2014    Post subject: Re: any UK motorcycle organisation that do SOMETHING? Reply with quote

valko wrote:
doing something for all of us?



don't fink so.

TRF are okayish, but a bit special interest.
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 21 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MAG are having a go.

Local groups have had local successes. Bus lane access, grippy manhole covers. Good show. I'd give my local lot a try but I can't make it to their monthly meeting, and sadly they're firmly entrenched in "do it at the pub" culture.

MAG UK Plc Inc, I'm not sure. They do appear to have got a rethink on the Bedford "turbo" roundabout, and got the raised lane dividers removed.

I can't actually think of anything else that they've successfully achieved in the past decade, other than turning subs and raffle money into staff and "consultant" salaries.

Asking for examples inevitably triggers defensive rage rants - wot 'ave YOU dun then, rrraaagh, LEG PROTECTORS!!!!! - so I'm guessing it's actually nothing.

A swing and a miss is still a swing though. The BMF appear to have become an events management company.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 21 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know lets set up a biking organisation of our own and have Keith as the head of it! we will fight for the motorbiking cause whole heartedly*




*then later we can become corrupt, accept bribes and turn all subs into fat salaries and weekend 'meetings'

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PostPosted: 20:11 - 21 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
I know lets set up a biking organisation of our own


It's genuinely not a bad idea there are enough active members here all over the country with a varied skillset that even if a small portion did something it could easily eclipse the current self serving organisations.

I vote for Roger as head honcho though his pedantic attention to legal jargon would be a potent weapon.

Just don't let Tef write any press releases.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 21 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Yup got it in one.

The only way to get more political power is to encourage more people to ride once you are a bigger % of the population you have a bigger voice.


Unfortunately we have idiotic motorbike training schools that keep lobbying for their own demise* which is killing off the number of new bikers.


*motorcycle schools wanted and got the graded licensing system thinking they would get much more new business because of it. They were wrong as not as many people will jump through all the hoops.


The schools did, the self-employed instructors didn't because that meant most had to get rid of their DAS bikes and buy new DAS bikes and new A2 bikes.

My instructor had 2 of each because he would very occasionally (only once in 3 days on a 125 and once in 5 days on the DAS bike) teach 2 of us at the same time, which meant selling 4 bikes which would have lasted another 4-5 years as a training bike, and buying 2 new A2s and 2 new/nearly new DAS bikes, plus crash bungs/bars/sliders etc.
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 21 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure but Keith is well known amongst the non BCFers as he has appeared in RiDE magazine every other month for years.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 22 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They all do 'something' but none seem to tick all the boxes.
This may well be impossible of course because a broad definiton of a biker/motorcyclist
would include a 50cc scooterist up to a 2.3 /6 litre Triumphalist.
Simply put, anyone who rides two wheels with an engine in the middle

Its a broad church though and includes as wide a variation in lifestyles and attitudes as you get anywhere
and getting the commuter riders chummying up with tattooed, assless chap wearing 'real bikers' may not be easy.

MAG seems to be more active than BMF but I lost interest in it both locally and nationally and have lapsed my membership.
Having senior members talking such shite was appalling and it felt like an organisation that was too busy braying about istelf to listen.

I do think it would good for all riders to have an organisation that
attempted to be all encompassing ( two wheels, engine in the middle)
that kept its feet on the ground and gave its members a feeling of genuinely being involved
and a voice without them feeling they were being preached to or fed bullshit.

It would be like herding cats of course........
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 23 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
...MAG UK Plc Inc, I'm not sure. They do appear to have got a rethink on the Bedford "turbo" roundabout, and got the raised lane dividers removed....

I believe that was BMF taking the credit for that. Along the lines of "Drop that, keep that, modify that, let's hammer out something we all can agree on".

THE MAG approach appears "No, no way, never, not happening, people will DIE horribly"

i.e.
Arrow The BMF approach click here.
Arrow The MAG approach click here and also click here.

Just wanted to clarify Thumbs Up

It's a bit sad when both organisations (BMF/MAG) sales (membership) pitches hark back to getting leg protectors stopped. Hasn't the world moved on? For that matter MAG still even want (and apparently still lobbying for) the freedom to ride without a helmet Rolling Eyes Really, I mean really? Water under the bridge and all that. Aren't there more important, relevant and topical issues? IMO makes them look like Luddites and an out of touch running joke.
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