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mailee
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 31 Jul 2014    Post subject: EU and insurance Reply with quote

this is a subject a friend and myself were discussing the other day. If we are now in the EU why is it that insurance companies will only give you 90 days insurance for riding abroad? Surely if we are really members of the EU now we should automatically be insured to ride on roads within the EU! Anyone any ideas on this? We came to the conclusion that it is just another way for them to rip you off even more like pillion insurance! Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 31 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Any motor insurance policy must cover you through the rest of Europe for the min legal cover.

The 30 day / 90 day / whatever day limit is for how long they extend your full cover to other countries (ie, fire and theft cover, or fully comp), rather than the basic legal min.

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PostPosted: 19:01 - 31 Jul 2014    Post subject: Re: EU and insurance Reply with quote

mailee wrote:
We came to the conclusion that it is just another way for them to rip you off even more like pillion insurance! Evil or Very Mad


It's entirely this. They're just absolute f**kbags. I mean, fancy wanting to assess a risk before taking a risk on - whatever next, wanting a premium that reflects the risk too?!

Bastards
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PostPosted: 01:27 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:

Any motor insurance policy must cover you through the rest of Europe for the min legal cover.


This.


And they're bastards.
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PostPosted: 02:24 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They do, they have to, but only 3rd party liability.

Thats all you need legally, 90 days of fully comp cover per year (or TPFT if thats your policy) or 30 days consecutive is pretty generous, its not often most people will spend 90 days a year abroad or 30 days in one go.


Friend has a policy on one of his bikes giving him 90 days per year, the other policy doesn't have a limit but only covers him for 30 consecutive days (which he must notify in advance to activate). I think one is in his wife's name actually with him as an additional rider. Either way my point is its usually enough.

If you're spending longer in EU its probably better to get a separate specialist policy and europe-wide breakdown cover.
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PostPosted: 06:45 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 08:33 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You very rarely get 30 or 90 days cover at the same level you enjoy in the UK. The only Policy I've seen this is on is ones I've taken out via Carole Nash.

The others just say 90 days cover without elaborating on it.

Legally they must provide 3rd party cover for the life of the policy in any country that's signed up to the Directive. That includes some non-eu and non-eec countries too.
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you got unlimited EU cover, then you could in theory insure your bike in Poland and away you go...

https://www.britishinpoland.com/ wrote:
Prices

Like in the UK the price varies a lot depending on each case. The two biggest factors in Poland appear to be the engine size and how much NCB (zniżki – “reduction”) you have. But a pleasant suprise is that car insurance seems to be very cheap compared to the UK, especially for motorbikes.
For my Suzuki GSF1200 I paid £600/year in the UK for 3rd, F&T (including my UK NCB). In Poland I paid 135 złoty for OC and didn’t even bother to tell them I had any NCB at all.


Exchange rate: 1 GBP = 5.2726 PLN
25.60 GBP = 135 Zloty

EDIT: Thinking about it, this would be cheaper anyway. Just take out a new policy four times a year. My insurance was £450~ I think.
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 01 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My insurance out here covers me for all of the EU and a few other countries to boot on the same level of cover as it is in Austria. The vehicle is insured, not the rider/driver and anyone can ride/drive them with my permission.

A Green Card is provided as a matter of course for countries that require them to be carried.

The only restriction is that any vehicles insured by me have to be owned by me and I have to have an Austrian address. I can have up to 3 like vehicles sharing the same No Plate (only one on the road at any one time). Insurance is paid on the one with the highest power output. A small percentage of the fully comp aspect is paid on the additional vehicles or if Third party, there is no additional premium.

Road Tax (except motorway Vignette) is included in the insurance cover. I have my car, mini bus and Quad on one plate and my motorcycle and 3 wheeler Spyder on another.

I can take them on and off the road as often as I like, only paying a premium for when they are on the road. When the bikes go off the road for the winter I take the plate back to the insurance company who hold it until they go back on again. I am refunded anything due and there is no admin fee. It is not a years cover but a rolling process.

If I loose a plate, all vehicles on that plate have to be issued with new documentation for a new number and a new plate is provided. I've done this twice now, total cost €12,- each time.

Bike Insurance isn't too bad, €47,- a month pro rata business use for the time I have them on the road (much cheaper for me in the UK over a year). 4 wheels is a bit more expensive, around €110,- a month for the 3 vehicles on business use.

My OÄMTC (Austrian AA) covers any vehicle owned by me and includes my wife and immediate family for all of the additional benefits such as Travel Insurance in the EU and some other countries, Emergency Helicopter and Air Ambulance, repatriation etc for €107,- a year. A years World Wide Travel Insurance for me and my family is an extra €48,-. Vehicles and covered parties are guaranteed repatriation to my home.

ADAC in Germany is very similar, open to non German residents and used by many Brits travelling in Europe for the reasons given Very Happy
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 02 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
If you got unlimited EU cover, then you could in theory insure your bike in Poland and away you go...

https://www.britishinpoland.com/ wrote:
Prices

cut...........
For my Suzuki GSF1200 I paid £600/year in the UK for 3rd, F&T (including my UK NCB). In Poland I paid 135 złoty for OC and didn’t even bother to tell them I had any NCB at all.


Exchange rate: 1 GBP = 5.2726 PLN
25.60 GBP = 135 Zloty

EDIT: Thinking about it, this would be cheaper anyway. Just take out a new policy four times a year. My insurance was £450~ I think.


I know a couple of Romanians thinking of doing just that, but for cars. They have been quoted £2k in this country for car ins. They cant believe it.
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 02 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

toadoftoadhall wrote:

I know a couple of Romanians thinking of doing just that, but for cars. They have been quoted £2k in this country for car ins. They cant believe it.


Oh the extreme irony
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361329/Migrant-car-insurance-scam-exposed-Police-admit-running-joke.html
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/02/15/cash-for-crash-fraudsters-sentenced-to-jail-_n_2697016.html
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/363539/Car-crash-turf-war-as-Baltic-gangs-scam-insurance-firms
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 02 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Llama-Farmer wrote:

If you're spending longer in EU its probably better to get a separate specialist policy and europe-wide breakdown cover.


But that's the point isn't it? We're already spending the whole year in the EU. It's not 'Over There', it's 'Here', we're in it to begin with.
Until you lot have a referendum and decide you don't want to be our friends any more. Crying or Very sad

That Daily Mail article is hysterical. Total BS. All EU countries and certain other countries must comply with the first directive on motor insurance, which says that every insurance policy issued in the EU must provide the minimum insurance cover required by law in any other EU country. Romanian insurance is perfectly valid in the UK and vice-versa, you don't even need a green card. (https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/the-green-card-system)

Insurance fraud is a totally separate issue.
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PostPosted: 01:47 - 03 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Celt500 wrote:
Llama-Farmer wrote:

If you're spending longer in EU its probably better to get a separate specialist policy and europe-wide breakdown cover.


But that's the point isn't it? We're already spending the whole year in the EU. It's not 'Over There', it's 'Here', we're in it to begin with.
Until you lot have a referendum and decide you don't want to be our friends any more. Crying or Very sad

That Daily Mail article is hysterical. Total BS. All EU countries and certain other countries must comply with the first directive on motor insurance, which says that every insurance policy issued in the EU must provide the minimum insurance cover required by law in any other EU country. Romanian insurance is perfectly valid in the UK and vice-versa, you don't even need a green card. (https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/the-green-card-system)

Insurance fraud is a totally separate issue.


You said it yourself... minimum cover required by law...

So that means TPO in most places.

I meant that if you were spending longer outside the UK it might be best to take out a policy that covers you TPTF or fully comp for the duration of your time abroad... not like you can just wheel the bike back or hire a van to recover your bike back the few miles to home... if you stack it in Europe or it gets stolen, would be nice and very useful to have some degree of courtesy vehicle cover, accommodation cover, personal belongings in/on the vehicle cover.
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 03 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah I know. What I meant is it annoys me that you're not fully covered just the same. I don't even have 90 days on mine, just the minimum required / TPO thing. Sucks. Evil or Very Mad

I had a French mate in Ireland who kept his motor insured back home for years, fully covered, breakdown and everything all included as standard. Irish insurance was insane back then so it was about 1/20th of the price!
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PostPosted: 00:54 - 04 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Celt500 wrote:
Oh yeah I know. What I meant is it annoys me that you're not fully covered just the same. I don't even have 90 days on mine, just the minimum required / TPO thing. Sucks. Evil or Very Mad

I had a French mate in Ireland who kept his motor insured back home for years, fully covered, breakdown and everything all included as standard. Irish insurance was insane back then so it was about 1/20th of the price!


Ah right, yeah it would be nice if insurance companies honoured your UK policy terms EU-wide but they're there to make money. It'd cost them to do so and insurance would be more expensive as a result. Doesn't affect that many people so the vast majority would rather cheaper insurance, and nearly everyone, particularly with cars, will go for the cheaper of A or B, regardless of the finer details of the cover. Bikes less so but people always want things as cheap as possible, just won't always compromise on the worst to get the very cheapest
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