mishap! need a get me home fix

[stephen_o]

Hi I dropped the kawasaki into the kerb this morning and what looks like the body of the water pump has split and its piddled the coolant out. I am 10 miles from home. Need a get me home fix.
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[Aff]

How fast is this piddle?
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[MarJay]

[stephen_o]

I cant post a pic the image size is too big, the pipe has split completely and the coolant is pouring out
i doubt i can make it 10 miles but going to have to try it
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[Itchy]

Get it recovered, I once ran a bike with low coolant, it the temp needle shot to the red zone within a mile.

If you run it without coolant it may seize, unlike aircooled bikes which have much bigger tolerances.

Seizing means a rebuild which starts at £300+ a recovery costs £50-£80 from a man with van type.
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[Aff]

Upload the image to photobucket or something.
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[Suntan Sid]

If you're insistant on riding it:-

Can you at least try wrapping everything in copious amounts of gaffer tape, then refilling with water, it might keep, at least some water in the system.
Switch off and coast down each and every downhill part of the journey, even the slightest incline.
Push it as far as you can!

Or :-
Joining AA/RAC, on the spot, might still be cheaper than the cost and ball ache of new head gasket, etc.
Call a recovery service, might not be as expensive as you think, at least get a, ball park figure.
Leave bike somewhere safe, or get a mate out to stay with bike while you get spares sorted.
Mate with a van would be ideal!
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[map]

Unclear what / where it's broken. As said, picture(s) would help.
Where are you? Anywhere you can get some liquid metal to patch and some suitable replacement coolant?

Otherwise 10 miles is a long walk.
As said, try and recover. Costs and inconvenience outweigh costs to repair further damage.
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[Suntan Sid]

Just seen your location, I'm not far from you, where exactly are you now, I could help with stuff, but I haven't got a van, I can bring tools, water etc!
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[Polarbear]

Please don't try riding it.

We don't want the next entry in the workshop section to be - Is my bike dead
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[stephen_o]

I live in Newcastle Under Lyme but bike is in Stone staffs. I dont want to try and ride it but it is metal thats fractured, I will try and get the bike down to my workplace and wrap it in ptfe tape and refill it just to try and help it. but the metal body is whats fractured on the pipe, when I get home was going to try and solder/torch it. I hadnt thought of liq metal, there is 2 diy shops near to my work place.
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[WD Forte]

Best option is as said, play safe, get it recovered
and fix it properly
Dont ride it without coolant

Desperate measures:
use an epoxy to seal the cracks
NOT Araldite etc that goes soft as shit over 60C.
JB Kwik sets in 20 minutes and cures in 4 hours and
may hold up for while if the casing is clean and dry
and depending on how you apply it/where and how its broken
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[Suntan Sid]

If your bike is going to be secure at work, leave it there until you can order another casing and fit it at work!
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[stinkwheel]

If I had absolutely no other option, I'd thoroughly de-grease it and try to patch it with fuel tank repair putty (the stuff that comes in a block with two coloured halves you squeeze together).

A GPZ500s will go a very short distance with no coolant because there are some very minimal cooling vanes on the barrel but you run an extreme risk of blowing the head gasket.

The cover can generally be TIG welded back together. That cast-in pipe shape on the pump cover doesn't actually need to be there. You can weld in a flat "patch" of aluminium over the hole where it was.

Best to recover it.

There is also a high chance of finding bits of road/gravel inside the pump impellar chamber.
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[stephen_o]

Picture from elsewhere. mine has split on the right hand side in the metal below the jubilee clip.
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[Itchy]

[bugeye_bob]

If your stuck in Stone I can get you a secure place to keep it until you can sort a van to collect or pop and fetch parts to fix.

[_Iain_]

As someone who's actually ridden one of these engines (albeit with less racy cams) with no coolant in it for approx 5 miles, and knowing that TUG and Phil on here also rode the same ER-5 with no coolant in it I reckon you'll make it.

Wait till it gets cooler and theres zero traffic, the blocks have quite a few fins on them. Keep the revs low, gaffa tape the fuck out of the leak spot to try and reduce the dribble, fill it up and go for it.
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[wr6133]

40 quid to join AA but that takes you to nearest garage. 95 quid if you want to be taken to a place of your choosing (home). Still cheaper than wrecking the engine and gets you a year coverage.

[stinkwheel]

[stephen_o]

I have ordered a replacement pump and pipe and opted to have the bike recovered, in normal running its 10 miles home on Dual Carridgeways with a lot of roundabouts and traffic lights and on a hot day the engine is at boiling point when i get home and thats with everything fine. The bike is my only transport so cant risk it seizing. If It was less miles or a cold day I would risk it.

Thanks for the input and offers of help but it would cost me as much to get a van as having it recovered.
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[Ste]

[wr6133]

[Tristan.]

I'm renting a van on Friday to pick up a bike from Stoke. I can drop yours home first. Pm me your number