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staningrimsby
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: First Bike Suggestions Please Reply with quote

Hi Everyone,

After passing my mod 1 yesterday I am waiting for my date for Mod 2 then hopefully will have my full un-restricted licence Smile so I am starting to look at life after the baby Varadero. I am 45 years old so no longer a boy racer and stand 6' 4" so feet on the floor at the lights should not be an issue.

I am not really into full blown sports bikes like the R1 or Fireblade but do like sports tourers such as the Triumph Sprint ST 1050, I also like the look of the Suzuki V-Strom 650 and 1000 and also full blown tourers such as the Yamaha FJR 1300. Having said that I also like the look of the Suzuki GSX 1400 but fear the lack of fairings on a run could be a bit windy.

I am open to all suggestions with the exception of full blown race bikes and I'm not really a cruiser person either (don't want to offend anyone there just not my thing).

As its a first bike I really don't want to spend more than around £3000 so please post me your suggestions and help out a new biker Smile

Thanks in advance,
Stan.
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bikes are quite personal, depending on your size, shape & what you fancy really. Draw up a short list and go looking at them is the best advice I can offer.

Have fun!
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What bikes does you training school have?

My school had FZS600, Translap, SV650, ER5 to name a few. He let me ride all of them to see what I liked and what fitted best.

That at least let me choose what kind of riding position I wanted, sports, touring or sport tourer.

I also went to a couple of dealers to see what else I could find.

In the end I opted for the same kind of bike I trained on, FZS600 sports tourer.

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PostPosted: 19:28 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've sat on a V Strom and despite having had and liked my vara the 'strom felt a bit big and bulky but I have been on my ZZR for a year so I've got used to a completely different riding position.

The 'strom is essentially a big vara so you should find yourself happy on it, other option is the BMW GS or Honda Transalp
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark 37 wrote:
What bikes does you training school have?


They have crap Mark its a Chinese bike called a WK650i, there brand new and a pile of junk, the mirrors flap around like Dumbos ears, the gears are biblical (in the fact that many are chosen but only few are selected) and even my examiner said on my mod 1 it revs like a bag on spanners (will def not be buying one of them).

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/news/newsresults/new-bikes/2012/july/jul2712-wk650i-the-first-big-bike-from-china/
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 2009 125 Varadero and a local bike dealer has offered me a straight swap for a 2000 W plate Suzuki GSX750F with FSH and they assure me its in excellent condition but I don't really know much about them.
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

2005 CBR600F, it was the last year of fully adjustable suspension.

Or a 918 Fireblade.

It is a bike which isn't a full on sports bike but can mix it with the sports bike. It can tour, it can commute, it is reliable, it is a Honda.

It can do anything you ask of it and more (Sjaak took his 918 off road)

I've even seen people change the top yoke and put conventional bars on them.

It is a bike for everyman... you just have to put up with everybody saying oh its a good all rounder as it doesn't have the craziness of the GSX-Rs the headshaking terror of ZX10/6Rs. The discomfort of the CBR6RR.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
staningrimsby wrote:
the gears are biblical (in the fact that many are chosen but only few are selected)

Laughing


I too laughed at this, VERY good Laughing Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMW R1150R because I hate chains and love big twins. Test ride one...maybe you'll like it Surprised .

On the more mainstream end of the scale, you could get a really nice VFR800 for that money.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeing as you're a giant among men you might find taller bikes more comfortable. A lot of it depends on how you will be using it. At 5'10 I find my FZS600 a little cramped but only due to the knees being bent too much, I would prefer my legs being a bit more straight (cycle-ergo.com is a very useful site for comparing seating positions on different bikes)

See if you can get a test ride at the dealers after passing your test - at least that might give you an indication of direction you want to explore.
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staningrimsby
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

lardcore wrote:

See if you can get a test ride at the dealers after passing your test - at least that might give you an indication of direction you want to explore.


I have already asked about test rides once I pass and 2 of the 3 dealers in this area all say the same thing, due to new insurance legislation I cant test ride a bike till I have held my full licence a year Sad
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

staningrimsby wrote:
lardcore wrote:

See if you can get a test ride at the dealers after passing your test - at least that might give you an indication of direction you want to explore.


I have already asked about test rides once I pass and 2 of the 3 dealers in this area all say the same thing, due to new insurance legislation I cant test ride a bike till I have held my full licence a year Sad


I was looking a few months back, I can't test ride as I'm on restriction - apparently it's rare that people test ride :S
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

staningrimsby wrote:

I have already asked about test rides once I pass and 2 of the 3 dealers in this area all say the same thing, due to new insurance legislation I cant test ride a bike till I have held my full licence a year Sad


That is surprising - I mean I would have expected dealers to be a little uneasy but I've asked Metropolis in London about test riding Bonnie and Street Triple and they said no problem (that's when my licence was 4 months old). I imagine they might not agree to me taking a Panigale or R1, but for average bikes they do have to take some risk, don't they? Or are they simply naively expecting a starry-eyed noob to walk in and part with the hard-earned without having a test ride? If you come in person (being a 45yo) and ask about average bikes you might find their reaction to be more reasonable. Alternatively if that doesn't work the next port of call would be test-rides organised directly by manufacturers as they would be a little more flexible with letting new riders on test-rides (with outriders).
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 07 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Consider a ZZR. Comfy and sedate when needed but also has a turn of speed when wanted and even a crap rider like me can whip it round corners fast.

Your 3k would buy a nice ZZR600 with change left over.
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PostPosted: 06:16 - 08 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Sports tourer' and '£3000' in the same post an nobody has mentioned a VFR?
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PostPosted: 06:23 - 08 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

lardcore wrote:

Alternatively if that doesn't work the next port of call would be test-rides organised directly by manufacturers as they would be a little more flexible with letting new riders on test-rides (with outriders).


I did go to Honda they were the first to tell me about the new lesgislation I said to the chap 'what happens if I buy a bike and don't like it' ?? his reply 'you can bring it back and trade it in'. Twisted Evil

I bet they wouldn't give me what I paid.
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PostPosted: 06:57 - 08 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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'Sports tourer' and '£3000' in the same post an nobody has mentioned a VFR?



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PostPosted: 07:00 - 08 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
Consider a ZZR. Comfy and sedate when needed but also has a turn of speed when wanted and even a crap rider like me can whip it round corners fast.

Your 3k would buy a nice ZZR600 with change left over.


That amount would buy you one, cover insurance and a fair bit of the running costs.

The only downside to the ZZR is it's weight, it's heavy to move around but light as any other mid size bike once it's under power.

staningrimsby wrote:


I did go to Honda they were the first to tell me about the new lesgislation I said to the chap 'what happens if I buy a bike and don't like it' ?? his reply 'you can bring it back and trade it in'. Twisted Evil

I bet they wouldn't give me what I paid.


I don't understand this, it's not a legal thing, it's just an insurance refusing to cover the risk of an 'inexperienced' rider taking out a bike so I'm not convinced legislation is the right word.
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PostPosted: 07:31 - 08 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

staningrimsby wrote:
I have already asked about test rides once I pass and 2 of the 3 dealers in this area all say the same thing, due to new insurance legislation I cant test ride a bike till I have held my full licence a year Sad

Rolling Eyes

A new contract with their underwriter.

Ah well, their loss, literally. I have no idea why people even consider dealers who won't let you ride bikes. I have to say, the local Motorrad couldn't have made buying the GS easier, which is in large part why I did so.
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PostPosted: 07:41 - 08 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, I had the same trouble, despite offering the full cash asking price
as an up front 100% deposit I still couldn't get a test ride anywhere.
I'm 41 and have my own business in addition to owning several properties
outright. I'm definitely good for the money. Cut no ice with them though.
Bought privately in the end.
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 08 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

staningrimsby wrote:
I cant test ride a bike till I have held my full licence a year Sad
That's very annoying. I'm not sure this is a nationwide thing - I test rode my first 600 back February/March after having license only a few months. They never even questioned it - all you do is sign a waiver that says you'll pay a £1k excess if you drop it.

But you could at least sit on a few, see what angle your legs etc are and how it would feel stopped at the lights.
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PostPosted: 08:33 - 08 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need to get your perfect bike right now. It's common for newer riders, including the more mature type, to change bikes at least every two years.

I wouldn't go for something really powerful right away. Whatever bike you have, you get used to the power very quickly. If you get used to something with 120bhp, then anything else will feel slow.

It sounds like you're interesting is just about anything that isn't a full-on sports bike or a cruiser. There's a lot of choice available to you. A V-strom or Transalp will be like a more powerful version of your Varadero. A VFR750 or 800 will do distance in comfort, but they are quite powerful so I wouldn't go for one right away. A big muscle bike like an XJR13 or a Bandit 12 would provide plenty of grunt, but I would go for a Bandit 600 first.

After a 125, anything with more than 50bhp is going to feel powerful. The difference is that up to about 80bhp you can make silly mistakes. Above 80bhp you have enough power to inadvertently spin up the back wheel coming out of a corner on a damp road. Might not lead to a crash, but it'll scare you.
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 08 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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